ethanol/methanol in gas? how does it affect the S10?

[GM4X4]

Hi,

Gas stations in my area is now saying up to 10% ethanol or methanol? I don't think its on the higher octane pump but unsure, leaning toward that it is.. What I'm worried about is will this affect the S10?

 

[cbrunsw]

You may want to check out this product. You can draw your own conclusion.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/yamacare/?group=1

 

[GM4X4]

You may want to check out this product. You can draw your own conclusion.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/yamacare/?group=1

Thanks for the info

 

[wessie]

The S10 shouldn't need such an additive. Most vehicles designed in the last couple of decades should use components unaffected by the ethanol content. A 25 year old XT350 might be a different proposition.

I recently went across to France where E10 is often the only fuel available. I used it without worrying about any negative effect on the my S10. I didn't notice any difference in performance or fuel consumption.

 

[imrubicon]

Despite all the naysayers nothing has been proved as most is mu uncle's friends brother said LOL
Fact you will get a little less due to not as many BTUs in the same amount of straight gas
Fact everything made to run on gas can use it as said for the last few decades including small motors.
Fact all the old farts remember when we moved to unleaded gas and it did have issues with older motors.
Fact the same people saying its the worst thing since the wheel forget why we went to unleaded in the first place . They are living examples why we dont need more lead spewed in our air ::021:: you wont even really notice the difference other than maybe a couple miles less per tank

 

[snakebitten]

Fact: There is a lot of pressure to find something to do with all the corn this great country can produce. Flew into Albany New York. Never been there. Weather was terrible and I was in a small private jet. Couldn't see out the front from my seat so I was looking out the window as we got REALLY close to the ground. All I saw was corn. In New York?

At the moment the corn field ended, we were touching the runway.

Corn everywhere. Even in my gas tank.

 

[fredz43]

Another fact is that right now in the Midwest corn belt, no corn is growing. It is all turning brown due to the severe drought we are having.

 

[snakebitten]

Yea, the whole middle of the country is hot n dry. Saw somewhere that you have to go back to the 1950's to match this drought.

Gonna cost more to fill the fridge soon.

 

[markjenn]

The vast majority of S10's in the US are running on E10 all the time. Yamaha says it is Okay and no ill effects are being reported.

- Mark

 

[imrubicon]

Sadly Im from Iowa and my family is melting for there.
I heard someone here say they are glad it wont affect them LOL

Prices of ethanol/methano and bread are going to go up

 

[viewdvb]

The vast majority of S10's in the US are running on E10 all the time. Yamaha says it is Okay and no ill effects are being reported.

- Mark

How official is that. When did they say it was OK and to whom - dealers? press? Has there been an official technical bulletin. Why do they sell Yamalube fuel stabiliser? Is that just a fancy marketing trick? Yamaha must have been aware of forthcoming ethanol fuels when they designed the bike so why would it not be built to tolerate them? So many questions......... Ah hell, just put some fuel in and ride the thing.
On the corn front, as soon as fuel companies started to include bio-ethanol (surely not for any reason other than their bottom line), the world price of corn rose. No, we don't grow enough corn to use it as fuel without pricing some third world people into starvation. Depends if you care and whether there is anything you could do if you did.

 

[markjenn]

How official is that.

It's in the OM - "Gasohol containing ethanol can be used if the ethanol content does not exceed 10% (E10)." Yamaha sells a lot of fuel and oil additives to make a buck that aren't necessary in most circumstances.

I'm deliberately staying away from the politics of ethanol which stink from both sides.

- Mark

 

[snakebitten]

It's in the OM - "Gasohol containing ethanol can be used if the ethanol content does not exceed 10% (E10)." Yamaha sells a lot of fuel and oil additives to make a buck that aren't necessary in most circumstances.

I'm deliberately staying away from the politics of ethanol which stink from both sides.

- Mark

Bummer Mark! I was willing to read it if you didn't "stay away".
While I don't always agree with you, you always lay out your point of view instead of just stating it.

Lol
Oh well, sometimes I don't get what I want.

 

[Koinz]

I seem to remember hearing that government subsidies for ethanol have expired so profit margins will be tight for growers of corn.

Here's an article from the DesMoines Register regarding two of their largest growers. Dated July 31st, 2012.

Two of the biggest ethanol producers — Valero Energy and Archer Daniels Midland — reported lowered earnings Tuesday because of narrowed or negative ethanol margins.

Ethanol producers have struggled with losses since Jan. 1, when the 45-cent-per-gallon blender tax credit expired. The industry has seen demand for gasoline slump this year, and in response it has reduced production by 12 percent since June 1. Corn prices that have gone above $8 a bushel have further squeezed prices.

Ethanol producers have warned that plants will curtail production or close if prices stay high.

 

[snakebitten]

I seem to remember hearing that government subsidies for ethanol have expired so profit margins will be tight for growers of corn.

Here's an article from the DesMoines Register regarding two of their largest growers. Dated July 31st, 2012.

Two of the biggest ethanol producers — Valero Energy and Archer Daniels Midland — reported lowered earnings Tuesday because of narrowed or negative ethanol margins.

Ethanol producers have struggled with losses since Jan. 1, when the 45-cent-per-gallon blender tax credit expired. The industry has seen demand for gasoline slump this year, and in response it has reduced production by 12 percent since June 1. Corn prices that have gone above $8 a bushel have further squeezed prices.

Ethanol producers have warned that plants will curtail production or close if prices stay high.

Nothing to do with politics when I say I would just like the choice of pure gas at the pump. If you want ethanol, push that button. If you want pure petrol, push another. Choice.

Ethanol and\or cost savings for the truck is fine. But my bike already has a small carbon footprint. So my conscious says I'm a good citizen of the planet even if I selfishly want the most performance possible.

 

[cezariomaia]

Here in Brazil we have between 20 and 25% ethanol added to gas...

 

[snakebitten]

Here in Brazil we have between 20 and 25% ethanol added to gas...

Sugarcane instead of corn though.....right?
I read\heard it is superior form of ethanol concerning energy content.

 

[cezariomaia]

Sugarcane instead of corn though.....right?
I read\heard it is superior form of ethanol concerning energy content.

Yes, sugar cane ethanol. We are the largest sugar cane ethanol producer in the world. No trouble with my Teneré. And I've not heard any trouble with any other bike.

 

[Yamaguy55]

It helps that you can ride year round, without storing the bike with ethanol in it, no matter what the source. Big temperature swings and long storage periods create a real mess with ethanol.

 

[tpak]

Re: Re: ethanol/methanol in gas? how does it affect the S10?

Sugarcane instead of corn though.....right?
I read\heard it is superior form of ethanol concerning energy content.

Does it matter once it is fuel or is that just the amount of energy per pound/kilo of raw material?

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