Engine Immobilizer

[cbrunsw]

On the Canadian Yamaha site the S10 has an engine immobilizer and I read somewhere that US S10 does not. Does anyone know about that? Just wondering why the price difference.

 

[markjenn]

There have been rumors that the US bike might not have the system, but nothing has been confirmed that I'm aware of - there is even a theory that perhaps this is the reason why US bikes may be delayed beyond Canadian bikes. Personally, I'm skeptical there will be major differences like this, but nobody knows for sure.

The "price difference" is more or less consistent with general Canadian vs. US vehicle price differences. There are lots of factors involved in pricing a vehicle for different markets.

- Mark

 

[Bill310]

This immobilizer is the "Red Key" that the Canadian FJR's from 2006 onwards have.

This is the same system that the European FJR's have. I know that this seems to be a great mystery to many Americans but Yamaha Canada has always been different than Yamaha USA . Some of my Canadian friends have had issues with their "red Key" bikes south of the Border and there is nothing on the US Fiches or in the service manuals to show US Techs how to deal with this system. I understand that if mess up the red key system the replacement costs of a new system are extremely costly and the motorcycle is stuck until the system is replaced.

The best third party proof of this is to look at the Heli-Bars website. The back backs and triple clamps are the same for the Canadian and European 2006 + FJR's and different than the US FJR's and this is to accommodate the red key security system. The US FJR's have a plastic spacer ring (that can be removed for installing Heli-Bars) where the security ring on the Canadian and European Bikes needs the extra space and the larger mounting room.

http://www.helibars.com/products-by-bike/yamaha


BTW I have been to the Heli-Bar factory and have spoken in depth with Harry Eddie the owner of Heli Bars on this issue.

On the Canadian Yamaha site the S10 has an engine immobilizer and I read somewhere that US S10 does not. Does anyone know about that? Just wondering why the price difference.

 

[cbrunsw]

Thanks for the reply's, The Red Key system could account for some of the difference in cost then. Additionally it could mean that the Canadian bikes are more like the European models and possibly come from Europe or are already stocked somewhere else just in need of a few small changes for the Canadian market. Might be why they are expected in July and not "delivery by the end of Nov" as are the US bikes.

 

[fredz43]

In an earlier pic in another thread of the Raven USA bikes now being used as demos there were no immobilozers. A pic of the tach shows that the small indicator light and key icon that is on the immobilizer equipped blue Euro demo bikes are missing from the USA Raven demos.

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

Is this it?

https://japan.webike.net/products/20426718.html

 

[Dogdaze]

Is this it?

https://japan.webike.net/products/20426718.html

Simply put, no. A factory fit immobilizer has no alarm, it is silent, cuts the ECU ability to fire up the bike, the coded chipped key send the signal to the immobilizer to de-activate and allow the bike to start. EU standard for insurance purposes.

 

[limey]

Simply put, no. A factory fit immobilizer has no alarm, it is silent, cuts the ECU ability to fire up the bike, the coded chipped key send the signal to the immobilizer to de-activate and allow the bike to start. EU standard for insurance purposes.

Canadian bikes are the same.

 

[greg the pole]

If it helps,

my imported 2011 US bike has a regular key. No chip no immobilizer, and a standard ignition barrel.
My buddys 2011 CDN bike has a chipped key, and a different ignition barrel to read the key.

Super bonus. US bikes read mph, and km. CDN bikes read km only.

 

[limey]

If it helps,

my imported 2011 US bike has a regular key. No chip no immobilizer, and a standard ignition barrel.
My buddys 2011 CDN bike has a chipped key, and a different ignition barrel to read the key.

Super bonus. US bikes read mph, and km. CDN bikes read km only.

2012.

 

[greg the pole]

2012.

Pre delivery 2012...riding both since 2011

 

[EricV]

Wow, a 6 year gap between posts. That might be a record for thread revival. The US bikes came in early too, though later than originally hoped for. My PDP '12 got delivered in July of '11.

You have to wonder how long it will take before the US bikes start showing up with immobilizers. Seems silly to me that they don't just build a world bike and save the hassle of extra skus and different parts for the same bike that goes to the US Vs the rest of the world. Pricing has always been controlled by each individual unit though. Yamaha Canada sets their pricing and warranty rules, Yamaha US does their own, etc.

 

[TomZ]

Having had the experience of a failed immobilizer (immobilized for 11 days 3500 miles from home and 500 miles from the next nearest dealer) from another manufacturer was a contributing cause of my changing bikes to an ST that doesn't have one. The US distributor said "they never fail, so we don't keep any in stock and will have to have one shipped from the factory. " I suppose the US model ST is slightly more vulnerable to theft than ones with the immobilizer from Europe or Canada; also, Yamaha didn't help by making the red 2015's so desirable. Personally, I'm happy to take my chances rather than risk being immobilized somewhere in the middle of nowhere.