Dunlop Trailmax Raid vs Trailmax Mission - An Honest Review

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Having ridden on the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires for the past two seasons, I've gotten quite a good feel for them..............What their strengths and weaknesses are, what they can and can't do, and the longevity one should expect from them.

When I had an upcoming trip to the Desert-Southwest this fall, and noticing that the tread on the rear tire was kinda getting a bit thinner, and having a brand-new spare rear wheel assembly on hand, I took the opportunity to mount a set of the new Dunlop Trailmax Raid tires.
I had been wanting to try them out since they became available, and this was a great time to do so!

DUNLOP TRAILMAX-MISSION

First I'll go over my thoughts and experiences with the Trailmax Mission tires.

This is a picture of the ones that I removed from the bike.

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DURABILITY

At the time of this picture, these Tires have 10,614 miles of use on them.
When these were new and first mounted to the bike, the Tread depth in the center of the tires measured:
Front = 8mm
Rear = 11mm
At the time they were removed from the bike the Tread depth measured:
Front = 5mm
Rear = 4mm
Overall Tread wear-rate over the life of the Tire is:
Front = 3538 miles per mm of depth
Rear = 1516.3 miles per mm of depth
This is pretty consistent with what I have seen with all the tires I have used on the Super-Tenere since I've owned it.
I typically go through 2 rear tires for every front tire.
Using this math, if I rode this rear tire down to a tread-depth of 1mm, (which is the legal DOT limit) I could go another 4550 miles on it! I'm certain that it would have lasted the whole Desert-Southwest trip and back.........
Since it is mounted on a spare rear wheel, I'm planning to put it back on the bike once the rear "Raid" wears out.

I have not been easy on these tires at all..............I am actually pretty hard on tires in general.
I ride aggressively often, both on pavement and on dirt/gravel. I accelerate and decelerate hard on pavement, and in the dirt. I ride rocks, sand, water, and everything else in between.
I'll spin the back tire frequently in the loose dirt as well.
I do tour long-distance, so any tires that I use will see a whole lot of highway pavement miles.
These Tires have held up phenomenally!

NOISE

As far as perceived sound goes, I would consider the Front tire to be a bit noisy.
Due to the design of the tread, it will "Sing" to you at certain speeds. I always found it to be loudest in the 40-50 mph range.
The tread design of the front tire seems to be a compromise between dirt and pavement, which probably contributes to it being noisier than a street-biased tire.
The rear tire does not seem to be noisy at all, and I've never really noticed any excessive sound coming from the back tire.
With the Trailmax Mission, it all seems to be coming from the front tire.

PERFORMANCE

Overall I would rate these Tires as a 70/30 Tire, where 70% of their performance is biased toward Pavement riding, and 30% towards Dirt performance.
With that being said, these Tires have always impressed me with the amount of grip that they have on dirt................and I have ridden a lot of dirt on them!

On both Pavement and hard Dirt/Gravel these tires are very stable. They track straight and true whether riding heavily-loaded or riding naked............They do not exhibit any kind of "Wandering" at all.
In the dry (on pavement) their grip level is amazing. In the twisties I can lean them over from one edge to the other, and have been known to scrape my boots on the pavement occasionally. They track very well, and are very stable and predictable when leaned over.
In the wet, they evacuate water very well at highway speeds..
The grip-level on wet pavement is what I would consider "Adequate"......... meaning they will get you safely to where you need to go as long as you ride responsibly.
I usually adjust the level of aggressiveness to match the conditions when I ride, so I don't typically try to lean a bike over very far in the wet.
With that being said, I've never had them break-loose on me either while riding in the rain.
With these tires, I take into consideration their durability/longevity and understand that the tread compound is not as "soft" as other tires that would be better suited to wet-pavement riding.

On hard-packed dirt/gravel, and over embedded rocks these tires have amazing grip! These tires have continued to impress me with their performance............They just work!
Where these tires really shine, is in their longevity! Long-distance Adventure-Touring, and long lasting consistency are their strong suits.
These tires will easily get you 15,000 miles of hard use, and it's not unheard of for less-aggressive riders getting up around 20,000+ miles out of them.

Where these tires do-not shine is in deep-sand, deep-loose gravel, and loose rocks..........................They simply do not have large enough voids between the tread-blocks for that kind of terrain.
The grip suffers, and you simply do not have the stability and confidence in the tire while riding the deep/loose stuff.
They also suffer during "Side-Hilling" The front tire is fine, but the rear will slide down into ruts or if you are trying to climb a slope sideways. The lack of aggressive tread blocks at the edge of the tread contribute to this.

I cannot speak to their performance in deep mud, other than to say I would imagine it to be pretty poor.
I do not ride very much mud, and tend to avoid it on purpose if I can.................."A Man's got to know his limitations"

OVERVIEW

Will I buy these tires again?............ Absolutely!

If you are the type of rider that rides mostly pavement, with the occasional blast down a dirt/gravel road, and you want a tire that will last for many-many miles of hard-consistent use, then these Tires are for you..
If you are looking for a tire that will "Last the entire trip" or get you to Alaska-and-Back, then these Tires are also for you!
For someone like me, who rides dirt-roads often, but also likes to Tour long-distance, these tires are among the best I've found!

If you are the type of Rider that likes to ride deep-sand, loose-rocks, mud or snow, than these are definitely NOT the tires for you!
 
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I will be mounting a rear TM Mission before heading to AZ in a month. I've been a loyal Mitas E07+ customer for a couple years and pretty happy except for the rear mileage. (I get about 7,500 mi on the rear.) I decided to try these after a buddy had them on his. I will leave the E07+ on the front.

I would be curious if you have a personal comparison with the E07+.

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Looking at your picture, I am impressed with the lack of squaring on the rear. My E07+ squares badly on the rear. 7k on this one


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DUNLOP TRAILMAX RAID

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I mounted these Tires on the bike on 09-16-2023
Tread Depth in the center when inflated was:
Front = 8mm
Rear = 10mm

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NOISE

My first impression of these tires was "Gosh these are Noisy!"
They are loud.............................On pavement the front tire "Sings" loudly at all speeds, and the back tire does too.
The frequency is just slightly "Off" from each other though, so you get a lovely "Harmonic" Song that gets louder and higher-pitched with increased speed............if you're into that sorta thing.
It does not seem to change much with tread-wear either. Still sounds the same.
Make no mistake! If you ride a lot of pavement with these tires, wear earplugs. They are loud!

Here's a short clip of the tire "singing" from the last ride with Sky and Robbie.

PERFORMANCE

I would rate these tires as a true 50/50 Tire.
50% pavement performance, and 50% dirt performance..................maybe even a 40/60 Tire, with a bias towards dirt performance.

On pavement, these tires grip really well.
When leaned-over on dry pavement they are stable and predictable. I can scrape my boots occasionally with these tires as well.
I am quite impressed with the amount of confidence they give me in the twisties.
When pushed really hard when fully loaded, or when leaned-over all the way to the edge they do get just a little "Squirmy", with the front tire seeming like it reaches the limit before the back tire.

They do exhibit a "Wandering" characteristic when riding straight and level on pavement, especially if the pavement has grooves or cracks. These tires will want to follow them.
Almost like the bike is slightly "Dancing" underneath you.
It doesn't feel unsafe, but was a bit unnerving at first, especially when fully loaded for my trip. I've gotten used to it though, and it doesn't bother me.
It does seem to be going away and getting better as the tires wear. (I wish the noise would too)

Wet pavement, these tires have more grip than the TM-Missions. The rubber compound is softer, and their "Feel" is much more confidence inspiring in the wet.
Although I still turn down my level considerably when wet, these tires feel like they grip better.

In the dirt is where these Tires really shine!
The first time I rode in loose-rocks and gravel I felt like "Superman"! They instantly gave me loads more confidence.
Their grip in loose sand and gravel is just amazing! Hard-packed dirt is almost like riding on pavement with these tires.
I actually find it hard to get the rear tire to spin while giving it heavy throttle with these.
You can climb out of ruts with these, and they work decent at "Side-hilling" (something that the TM-Mission suffers with)
These work decent in the mud as well. I tested them in some fairly deep water-filled mud holes and sandy water-crossings.

They just GRIP everywhere!

DURABILITY

This is where the downside comes.............at least for the rear tire.

After riding around the Desert-Southwest for a week, and going on a few day-rides I now have 4000-miles on them.
The Tread-Depth at this time is:
Front = 7mm
Rear = 4mm
Wear rate for the front tire is on par with the TM-Mission
The rear however is overall at 666-miles per mm. It's wearing more than twice as fast as the TM-Mission.

Therein lies the compromise.
You get amazing grip and performance, but because of that durability suffers.

This is how they looked right after I got back from my trip, with 3,000 miles on them.

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OVERVIEW

What can I say?
These are simply a completely different Tire, built for a completely different purpose compared to the TM-Missions.
They have amazing grip in any condition, but are not a long-distance touring type tire.

If you ride a lot of two-track, with sections of loose sand and rocks on the weekends, and need to ride some pavement to get there, then these are definitely the tires for you!
If you are a weekend-warrior that wants a tire that excels in any terrain, and will just about get you through the entire BDR, then this is the tire for you.
If you tour long distances, with lots of pavement miles, then this is certainly NOT the tire for you.
It most likely will NOT last the trip to Alaska-and-Back........

I've had mine on the bike for 2 months, and in that time the rear tire has worn away more than half its tread-depth.
Do they perform well? Absolutely!
Will they last a long time? Absolutely not!

CONCLUSION

For me personally, and the type of riding I find myself doing, the choice between these two tires would be the Trailmax Mission
Your mileage may very, and your choice of tire for YOU may be different.

Above all else...................Definitely wear your earplugs!
 
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I will be mounting a rear TM Mission before heading to AZ in a month. I've been a loyal Mitas E07+ customer for a couple years and pretty happy except for the rear mileage. (I get about 7,500 mi on the rear.) I decided to try these after a buddy had them on his. I will leave the E07+ on the front.

I would be curious if you have a personal comparison with the E07+.

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I ran an E07+ rear paired with an E07-Dakar front in the past.
I would say compared to the Trailmax Raid, the E07+ performs "Almost" as good, but will last slightly longer.
I got 6,500 miles out of my E07+ rear............I'll be lucky if my Trailmax Raid makes it to 5,500 miles.

Compared with the Trailmax Mission, the E07+ has better performance in the loose stuff.
The TM-Mission will outlast it by Double or more however.
 

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Ran a front-rear set of Dakar’s to Alaska and back without any trouble but the rear was pretty well worn out at 11,000 miles.
Then tried a set of Metzler Tourance my opinion that was by far the worst set of tires I ever had on a Tenere.
Next set I tried was Dunlop TrailMax Mission, rode to Prudehoe Bay Alaska and back with them and they looked like they could probably make the trip again. My opinion the TrailMax Mission is currently the best all round tire choice for the Super Tenere.
I’m planning to order another set of TrailMax Missions sometime this Winter if they come on sale again, bought the last set on sale from Revzilla last March for $386.01 delivered.
 

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Compared with the Trailmax Mission, the E07+ has better performance in the loose stuff.
The TM-Mission will outlast it by Double or more however.
Kind of what I expected. Will have to watch it in AZ loose stuff. Loose rocky inclines are my worst. I hate it when they go grading the trails there.

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Good write up.

I've run 4 sets of Missions, and am now on a set of Raids that are close to done. I agree with your observations.

I've found the rear very noisy, a piercing shriek when I get over 75 mph. I don't know how much of that is due to how my local roads are made.

For me, they're not a good fit. I usually run Shinko 805s, and those have equal grip on what I ride, for a hell of a lot less.
 

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Great review! Your thoughts on the TMM align with my experience. I have a love-hate relationship with the TMM, they are so good on every surface until you get to loose rock or sand, and then they get scary AF.

My default has always been the Motoz Rallz, but they don't get the mileage I want for a long multi-state BDR-type trip. I was going to try the Motoz DV + Adventure for my next set on the ST, but now I will think about giving the TM Raids a go.
 

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I wonder if there’s a difference in rubber durometer between the two sets?
I believe there is........I don't have a rubber-durometer-meter-meter :p or else I would have checked and compared them.
I did watch someone's youtube video before I installed mine, and they did measure that. The rubber compound on the Mission was a higher number.
 

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I believe there is........I don't have a rubber-durometer-meter-meter :p or else I would have checked and compared them.
I did watch someone's youtube video before I installed mine, and they did measure that. The rubber compound on the Mission was a higher number.
Thanks for review Skunkworks. I have about 16000 miles on TMM and am planning to remove about 20k. My last 4K will be Florida 2lane pavement mostly.
The front is extremely noisy in 45-60mph range and ear plugs are a must.
I am contemplating running a TMM Front and a TMR rear as a trial ( and i have a new F) for two reasons. This may well stop the walking talked about in reviews of front .
Second reason is the rear carcass is too stiff for my aged back on small irregularity pavement stuff and takes its toll on long days. (No issue on gravel).
I trust the TMM front and have dragged pegs as well on occasion.

Now to add some Durometer numbers.
TMM F 67 durometer 10/32 TD
TMM R 81 durometer 14/42 TD
TMR F 68 durometer 9/32 TD
TMR R 64 durometer 12/32 TD

If my setup works i expect to get 2 TMR rears to one front TMM front without the wigglies, and better small irregularities compliance. ( If i can stand the noise, lol) .

I contacted Dunlop about this match up. They said they had never tried it but were not against the idea.

We’ll see how it goes next year.


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DUNLOP TRAILMAX RAID

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I mounted these Tires on the bike on 09-16-2023
Tread Depth in the center when inflated was:
Front = 8mm
Rear = 10mm

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NOISE


Above all else...................Definitely wear your earplugs!
I just noticed...
Do you have a Black rear rim and Gold front?

My Black rear has a bunch of rock chips. I generally hide them under a good layer of dust!

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I just noticed...
Do you have a Black rear rim and Gold front?

My Black rear has a bunch of rock chips. I generally hide them under a good layer of dust!

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Currently, Yes.
That's my spare wheel assembly.
I need to drop off my other one to Woody's to get straightened.
 

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I want to get my wheels tuned, but Im cringing at paying Woody's another $500 for the work.
 

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I'm going to try the mutant those trail.......way too expensive for the longevity
Let me know how you like the Mutants (if you go with them). I have a set on-deck for when I wear out the Conti TA-3's but that probably won't be until later next season (the Conti's only have @ 1000k miles on them as of now).

Those Mutants do have a funky tread pattern, supposed to be the next best thing to a submarine in the wet.......

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Let me know how you like the Mutants (if you go with them). I have a set on-deck for when I wear out the Conti TA-3's but that probably won't be until later next season (the Conti's only have @ 1000k miles on them as of now).

Those Mutants do have a funky tread pattern, supposed to be the next best thing to a submarine in the wet.......

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I have Mutants on my 1290 SAS. It is a great tire for my needs. Probably my new favorite. They ride and handle on pavement better than any tire I can recall. Obviously, they are not a trail tire however they do a respectable job on gravel roads. Much better than say a Michelin Anakee or a Bridgestone. I like them. My other favorite tire is the Dunlop Trailmax Mission which I have on a Tiger 900. Great tire for that bike.

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