cbrunsw
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Hi there, I'm from Calgary and ordered the bike March 5 but as of yet have not heard anything from the dealer. When did you order yours?
Delivery Delayed until at least Nov 1st
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I saw the letter, but it was addressed to the dealer... the letter is legitimate. I found it curious that Canadians are being told something different than the Americans. So far as I know, it is the same bike with the essentially the same DOT requirements. Maybe it is easier to build a few for Canada then to build many for the Americans. I was the only order at my dealer. I ordered sometime in Feb.
cbrunsw
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They know we only have a short riding season compared to much of the States I guess.
Can you get a copy? Or ask the dealer to read the exact wording to you?Zuan said:
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You are both misinformed, or simply do not understand what you've agreed to, with whom, or why. That has the potential for a costly mistake.keeponriding said:
Research your topic a little more completely and let me know what you find (with appropriate documentation, of course
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Gentlemen: regarding the Canadian Connection, I can tell you what I know, and also speculate a bit as to why.
My Yamaha dealer, the Sales Manager of which I know very well and for many years, phoned me late Friday and informed me (he read the announcement verbatim) that Yamaha Canadia has predicted the Super Tenere delivery date "expected no later than July of 2011". It is very similar to the announcement in the U. S., only 4 months earlier. Fact: This was the announcement. Fact: Yamaha Canada and Yamana USA are two separate entities. I don't know how it works from a business perspective, but I have been told numerous times that they are separate companies and function independently of each other. This seems to be borne out here.
I have no idea why Yamaha Canada chose to do this. And quite frankly, no one is asking too many questions given the nature of the announcement. However, I have a couple of ideas .....
Speculation: My guess is that the Canadian order was a fraction of the number of bikes ordered by the U. S.
The population of Canada is about 1/10 of the population of the U. S., and generally the riding conditions are simply not as inviting overall as south of the border. So my guess is that Canada probably placed an order of fewer than 50 bikes, perhaps even as low as 30. I have no way of knowing this, but to some extent, it makes sense just based on numbers and proportions. Yamaha may have had adequate parts for producing such a small number. IF that is the case, it would make sense to fill the Canadian order completely, as opposed to trying to fairly distribute a fraction of the bikes across all of North America. This is pure speculation on my part.
Also, perhaps the Canadian order, because it is small, could be filled from the European general production line without causing too many problems. Again, speculation on my part.
Anyway, our anticipated delivery up here is July of this year. I don't have an explanation. I'm not even gonna make a joke about it because I know this is serious stuff for all of us. If I learn any more, I'll be sure to pass it on. That's all I know for now. Hope this helps. R
My Yamaha dealer, the Sales Manager of which I know very well and for many years, phoned me late Friday and informed me (he read the announcement verbatim) that Yamaha Canadia has predicted the Super Tenere delivery date "expected no later than July of 2011". It is very similar to the announcement in the U. S., only 4 months earlier. Fact: This was the announcement. Fact: Yamaha Canada and Yamana USA are two separate entities. I don't know how it works from a business perspective, but I have been told numerous times that they are separate companies and function independently of each other. This seems to be borne out here.
I have no idea why Yamaha Canada chose to do this. And quite frankly, no one is asking too many questions given the nature of the announcement. However, I have a couple of ideas .....
Speculation: My guess is that the Canadian order was a fraction of the number of bikes ordered by the U. S.
The population of Canada is about 1/10 of the population of the U. S., and generally the riding conditions are simply not as inviting overall as south of the border. So my guess is that Canada probably placed an order of fewer than 50 bikes, perhaps even as low as 30. I have no way of knowing this, but to some extent, it makes sense just based on numbers and proportions. Yamaha may have had adequate parts for producing such a small number. IF that is the case, it would make sense to fill the Canadian order completely, as opposed to trying to fairly distribute a fraction of the bikes across all of North America. This is pure speculation on my part.
Also, perhaps the Canadian order, because it is small, could be filled from the European general production line without causing too many problems. Again, speculation on my part.
Anyway, our anticipated delivery up here is July of this year. I don't have an explanation. I'm not even gonna make a joke about it because I know this is serious stuff for all of us. If I learn any more, I'll be sure to pass it on. That's all I know for now. Hope this helps. R
Ya Sure! Maybe dose Japanese like you Canucks better den us Yanks, EH? )
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Well, Canada didn't drop the two "Big Ones" on 'em, after all...
Just kidding. Just kidding.
I don't want to start a geopolitical hijack of the thread here.
Dallara
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Well, Canada didn't drop the two "Big Ones" on 'em, after all...
Just kidding. Just kidding.
I don't want to start a geopolitical hijack of the thread here.
Dallara
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Shades of the Bard hisself, Mr. Shakespear, thou doth speaketh the truth. But maybe you should stay away from that Canadian rye whiskey, as it appears to bring on dark thoughts... 8) Good stuff though, nectar of the gods.rem said:
I have Paul. We have both made our points and the contracts signed between seller (which clearly identifies the seller to be the dealer, not the mfg) and buyer speak for themselves. Let's drop it.SisuTen said:Research your topic a little more completely and let me know what you find (with appropriate documentation, of course
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Thanks for your thought Rem! I think you may be close to the real reason with the numbers involved.
Good luck to all of our friends up north on getting their SuperT's in the July timeframe.
Good luck to all of our friends up north on getting their SuperT's in the July timeframe.
Still like to see the letter.
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dastard
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Has anyone else not gotten a letter yet?
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yep me, and I don't want the letter, I want the bike. Until I get the call to pick it up, I am not worrying about any of it.dastard said:
You two must be lawyers
I Yust being funny, Ya, no hijacker here!!Dallara said:~
Well, Canada didn't drop the two "Big Ones" on 'em, after all...
Just kidding. Just kidding.
I don't want to start a geopolitical hijack of the thread here.
Dallara
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You see, all dese really serious guys round here got you nervis about dem bein upset, ya?
Paul
I really have no intention of letting you off the hook, and since YOU challenged my statement, you need to provide substantiation. You are completely wrong on this.markjenn said:
However, let's hypothetically agree that what you say is true.
No contract? Why do you need permission from Yamaha to get your deposit back? If it's all on the dealer, he should be able to simply refund your money, but he can't. You have to fill out a form. Why? if there's no contract.
Apparently, the slots are not transferable, either. Is that the dealers call or Yamaha's.
Sure sounds like a contractual agreement to me.
Paul
Not me, I'm an honest man!KSH said:
You two must be lawyers
By the way, I really like your hat/leaves...wait.... is that you wearing it? Just Kidding! My Mom had a swimming hat that looked like that back in the sixties, pretty cool!
Paul
You don't need permission from Yamaha. I have it written that my deposit is refundable at any time.SisuTen said:
The slots are transferable. Again, my dealer has two on order under other names for sale. They are spoken for from what I am told. The other local dealer has, IIRC, four ordered under pseudo-names. I don't have any info beyond that as it is second hand as it relates to this other dealer. I can factually state that they had them advertised on Craigslist for a time as they had not found people to sell them to at PDP end time.
Phil,Firefight911 said:
The letter is a "permission slip" from Yamaha to allow you a refund. If you didn't have the letter, you couldn't get your money back. After May 31st you will no longer be able to do so again, so it is not an open ended offer to return your money. You get a one month opportunity to change your mind and get out of your promise to them. Pretty generous on their part, because any refund represents a $14,000 (give or take) loss. Simple and that was the point.
I haven't looked into the trading of slots, so you are probably correct. I believe that IF Yamaha wanted to, they could tighten up and insist that only the original customer could take delivery. However, each of those deposits represents a promise (by one of you) to purchase a motorcycle and I don't believe that Yamaha wants to lose any sales. Trade away. Frankly, I have my slot and really don't have to deal with this, so to me it's moot.
Mark and I differ on what comprises a contract. That's OK. I contend that I entered into a purchase contract when I deposited $500 with Yamaha (through my dealer). Yamaha holds the cash, has stipulations regarding whether or not I can retrieve the deposit and has ultimately agreed to provide me with a 2012 Raven XT1200Z Super Tenere motorcycle in exchange for the agreed upon purchase price. I could get out, but would lose $500. In my opinion, where two parties come to a promissory agreement (even something as simple as a handshake), there is a contract. I suppose I could be wrong, but even if it's not a 10 page legalese document, I've promised as Yamaha has, and I won't renege. Just not in my genes.
Paul