damn side stand..

[nico_yyz]

so, i'm not sure if i'm the only one dealing with this.....

It seems to me that the side stand isn't angled enough? Twice now, stopping the side of the road the bike almost tipped off on me. i've noticed that unless i'm on a really flat surface, the bike doesnt feel very solid on the side stand.

example :stopping off on the side of the highway, where there is a natural slope to the inside (right). I find the bike being much more upright than previous bikes i've had.

this is on a 2016 ES.

 

[OldRider]

I bought an adjustable aluminum walking cane at a flea market for $5. Cut the handle off and made a foot for the bottom. It collapes down short enough to fit in the trunk and it's adjustable for any surface. Put it under the engine guard on the right side and the bike is rock solid.

I now have a Soupy's adjustable side stand. It works way better than the oem stand.

 

[Juan]

Yes the side stand sometimes does give you the impression that the bike will tip over to the left, especially if the bike is loaded with side cases and a top box. However, the stand is well placed relative to the engine block. It has never tipped over for me, though sometimes you wonder why it hasn't. In critical situations, I place a small piece of wood or stone under the stand to put the bike more upright.

 

[WJBertrand]

I guess for a bike like ours this is a delicate compromise. Realizing that we may be often parking on soft surfaces, Yamaha has probably made the stand a bit longer than average to compensate for sinking on soft surfaces. The trade off being the situation described here. To be honest I've had the same issue with other bikes like my ST1300 on an aggressively crowned road.

 

[WJBertrand]

Yes the side stand sometimes does give you the impression that the bike will tip over to the left, especially if the bike is loaded with side cases and a top box. However, the stand is well placed relative to the engine block. It has never tipped over for me, though sometimes you wonder why it hasn't. In critical situations, I place a small piece of wood or stone under the stand to put the bike more upright.

Tip over to the left?

 

[Brick]

Well I too have the same issue as nico... Any slope up to the left of the bike and I too feel that it will fall over on the right side.i have been known to up the suspension to hard at stops to up the preload. Sometimes that helps a little. I have been known to move 3 times to find a place I can put it on the side stand. It's a pain in the ass.
A bit more outward bend or a 1/2" shorter side stand might help.
Is this side stand actually adjustable? More photos and source and cost info would be great.

I certainly don't have Juan's problem!!


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[OldRider]

http://soupysperformance.com/yamaha-star/super-tenere-xtz1200/super-tenere-xtz1200-adjustable-kickstand-side-stand.html

 

[jmcgilroy]

I came over from the KLR world of cheapskates. This was also a problem with those bikes... we just cut off the foot, removed 1/2 to 3/4" from the bottom and re-welded the foot back on. Or, you can spend $140 on the adjustable one.

Seriously, I've done three of these...5 minute job.

 

[nico_yyz]

Seriously, I've done three of these...5 minute job.

not everyone has welding equipment available to them!

 

[Checkswrecks]

I guess for a bike like ours this is a delicate compromise. Realizing that we may be often parking on soft surfaces, Yamaha has probably made the stand a bit longer than average to compensate for sinking on soft surfaces. The trade off being the situation described here. To be honest I've had the same issue with other bikes like my ST1300 on an aggressively crowned road.

Not only that, but what is better for the bikes in countries using the left side of the road is counter-productive for counties using the right side.

Plus, tires make a huge difference, as does suspension sag.

I've really come to notice this after mounting Mitas E07 tires, which are taller than the OEM Bridgestones,and removing the center stand to use the trailer hitch. I look for places to park with the left higher than the right.

 

[regulator]

Tip over to the left?

Maybe he is referring to that Gen1 bikes that have a shorter side stand and lean significantly farther over than the Gen2 models?

I have to retrain my small brain everytime I switch from one to the other.

 

[WJBertrand]

I came over from the KLR world of cheapskates. This was also a problem with those bikes... we just cut off the foot, removed 1/2 to 3/4" from the bottom and re-welded the foot back on. Or, you can spend $140 on the adjustable one.

Seriously, I've done three of these...5 minute job.

I wonder if it is as straight forward with the Gen 2 aluminum stand?

 

[nico_yyz]

Maybe he is referring to that Gen1 bikes that have a shorter side stand and lean significantly farther over than the Gen2 models?

I have to retrain my small brain everytime I switch from one to the other.

not to the left, to the right.

there isnt enough lean angle on the left, making the bike prone to tipping over to the right.

 

[Cycledude]

I came over from the KLR world of cheapskates. This was also a problem with those bikes... we just cut off the foot, removed 1/2 to 3/4" from the bottom and re-welded the foot back on. Or, you can spend $140 on the adjustable one.

Seriously, I've done three of these...5 minute job.

Ha a 5 minute demonstration would be interesting ! Every bike I've ever owned (about. 10) was slightly different and I've never actually modified one other than to occasionally slip a little something extra under them.

 

[ace50]

1st gen bikes were designed to be ridden on the right lane roads as in America, so when you pull over, the crown in the road holds the bike in proper angle. (shorter kick-stand)
2nd gen bikes were to be ridden on the left lane (wrong) roads as............................where ever that is, so when you pull over, the longer kick-stand holds the bike in proper angle because on the crown in the road.

You just bought the wrong bike apparently!!! ::015::

 

[nico_yyz]

i'm going to see if I can find a welder locally to cut off a half inch and re-weld the end.

 

[Chuck B]

Try setting proper preload first...

 

[jmcgilroy]

I wonder if it is as straight forward with the Gen 2 aluminum stand?

Good point on the Gen 2 bike as I didn't realize they were aluminum. The KLR's I've done and the Gen 1 bike were all mild steel and a MIG made short work of it. I do own an inverter TIG machine and I suspect the new stand would be made from 6061 Al but there are aluminum alloys that should not be welded (7075 etc.) ... so maybe my original comment was worthless. (I'll hang my head in shame for the next few hours)

Jim

 

[Brick]

1st gen bikes were designed to be ridden on the right lane roads as in America, so when you pull over, the crown in the road holds the bike in proper angle. (shorter kick-stand)
2nd gen bikes were to be ridden on the left lane (wrong) roads as............................where ever that is, so when you pull over, the longer kick-stand holds the bike in proper angle because on the crown in the road.

You just bought the wrong bike apparently!!! ::015::

Actually I had a 2012 and now have a 2014ES so I bought both.


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[Brick]

Try setting proper preload first...

How do I do that on my ES?


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