Crash on Dragon captured on camera. Yet again and this one is pretty rough

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MrTwisty said:
So, I think we have established that the photogs weren't responsible for the Harley/Vette crash....
Since everyone seems to be getting their facts straight, I couldn't let this slide. >:D ... that's a Triumph (Thunderbird), not a Harley. Just saying. :D
Some here might automatically assume that since it was a 'Harley', that the guy couldn't ride. They'd probably be closer to right then wrong, but that's for another thread! ;D

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. ::008::
 

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I do wish we could get an update on the rider's well-being - genuinely hope he comes away okay.
 

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REdCat - Don't knock it until you have tried it. I live in the Northwest and have rode in Oregon, WA, ID and BC. Had an opportunity to take a rented ST around the Greater Smoky Mountains of Tennesee and North Carolina. I thought the roads in our neck of the world were some of the best (and they are), but the Dragon and the roads around GSM National Park and North Georgia are unbelievable. The Dragon is 11 miles with 318 turns. Great asphalt and banked. EVERY biker should make the trip. Yes, this one stretch - like everything good - is over-hyped, but the whole GSM area isn't. Unbelievable ridge line runs. Different than the Pacific Northwest. Worth the trip. Put it on the bucket list. Go in early spring on weekdays before the crowds. ::008::
 

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Salmon Sam said:
REdCat - Don't knock it until you have tried it. I live in the Northwest and have rode in Oregon, WA, ID and BC. Had an opportunity to take a rented ST around the Greater Smoky Mountains of Tennesee and North Carolina. I thought the roads in our neck of the world were some of the best (and they are), but the Dragon and the roads around GSM National Park and North Georgia are unbelievable. The Dragon is 11 miles with 318 turns. Great asphalt and banked. EVERY biker should make the trip. Yes, this one stretch - like everything good - is over-hyped, but the whole GSM area isn't. Unbelievable ridge line runs. Different than the Pacific Northwest. Worth the trip. Put it on the bucket list. Go in early spring on weekdays before the crowds. ::008::
Yeah, thanks Sam, that's exactly what ruined the Gap." Every biker" making the trip. :mad:
 

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Firefight911 said:
So, what you're trying to say is the third cylinder is at fault.
:D ...no, actually it runs a parallel twin; like the s10. ::024::
It's obvious that the fault lies with the loose nut between the handle bars. No one, or noThing, else's.
 

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I hear you, Scott123.... A good thing ruined by everyone finding out about it. The positive, however, is that there are bunch of less-travelled gems in the GSM area, and the atmosphere of the "Dragon" is cool from the aspect that it is a "mecca" for all of us who love bikes. Is there anything like it on the continent?
With that said, stay away from the Pacific Northwest, everyone! It rains here all the time. Absolutely miserable. Ride elsewhere!!! :-*
 

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Saw a post on Facebook about this that linked to a Corvette forum where the owner of the Vette posted about the accident. Both the rider and driver walked away. The Vette driver was uninjured and the rider had a minor injury to his arm. Both damn lucky IMO!
 

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creggur said:
Saw a post on Facebook about this that linked to a Corvette forum where the owner of the Vette posted about the accident. Both the rider and driver walked away. The Vette driver was uninjured and the rider had a minor injury to his arm. Both damn lucky IMO!

It's possible, especially if the rider landed flat on his back, which the photos suggest. I do hope so, for his sake.


I've been doing accident investigations for a long time and you'd be amazed at how many people walk or ride away and then get admitted to a hospital. We've seen everything from the mildest of concussions to broken backs (yes - unrecognized at first), internal bleeding, spleen ruptures, and other potentially critical internal injuries. You can't feel them inside and it's why the statistics for injury level about a particular accident try to include the 30 day period following the accident.


One thing that knowing this background tells ME as a rider is that if you have health insurance, USE IT. The premium is paid, so it essentially costs nothing to get checked out after an accident. And it sure costs less than what swelling can do to your brain or anything else by the next day.


The other thought/observation I'll add is that you'd be amazed to look closely at the crushable foam when taken out of a helmet after a fall like this and slightly bend it. The helmet will feel ok to the wearer, but on close inspection the surface of the hard foam will be full of cracks or deformations. There's a reason helmets are meant to be expendable.
 

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Thanks for that info. To be more specific , the driver of the Vette posted that he and the rider were standing there having a conversation while waiting on Rescue to arrive. The only thing the rider was complaining of was a pain in his arm/wrist.
 

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This is a great thread because it forces you to think about and consider your own habits, skills and limits. It's easy to be disdainful of the overloaded bagger dude on a known (and risky) tourist trap road, in a moment of whimsy or vanity, waving to a photographer at a very inopportune moment—just before initiating a turn. Easy to think, "Man, what a knucklehead." But if you haven't had a knucklehead moment from your own saddle, it's coming.
I won't and can't deconstruct his riding technique. But I do think the larger and more relevant lesson—mentioned by DirtDad—is that the more you can eliminate "factors," the safer and better off you'll be.
Riding is already inherently risky, with limited margins of error and serious repercussions for trespassing them. I mean, with your Tenere in your driveway, a moment of absentmindedness can lead to a 785 pound tip-over (do the fat-man math) that breaks your wrist or crushes your ankle. No photographer or even forward motion necessary.
So when and where and how you choose to ride factors mightily into the exposures you create for yourself. I personally don't like riding with others, unless we're going off road (which I'm gonna do this summer on the Utah BDR). I feel like with all the other factors to concentrate on and avoid, I don't want or need to be thinking about, watching, admiring, or worrying about another rider—even a friend—in front of or behind me, in particular with other vehicles around. That's just me, and my three R's: "riding risk reduction."
Probably an unpopular sentiment here, and among riders in general, but for me (and if like me, you love riding but want to mitigate risk), places like Mulholland and the Dragon and all the other thrilling, see-and-be-seen rider magnet scenes are probably best avoided. There's no shortage of glorious roads in much of this country.
As to habits, I also generally choose to ride as far away from traffic as possible, and even at times when it's easiest to avoid it. Early Sunday mornings in New England, far from the madding crowds, is a delightfully "fewer factors" time.
Don't mean to sound like a schoolmarm. I just think that beyond the particulars of the crash in the original post, and the other examples folks have posted here, it's worthwhile to consider "factor elimination" as a riding tactic to avoid your own elimination. And it doesn't have to diminish your riding joy one lick.
 

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Glad all are well but sorry to say, it's your life on the line pay attention to your riding and forget the snap shooter.
Twisties on a loaded bike can get scary at times especially on a big Pig like that.
 
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