Commenting on threads .......

[Derekj]

I recently ask a Moderator to cancel a thread I had started because it was on its way to stir up "whatever" and was locked. Upon further reflection, it has made me think a bit more about "freedom of speech" and being able to share good or bad on a forum that allows just that, or so I thought. It only takes one person's comments to turn the conversation from it's original intent to smear the thread and help create negative confusion that results in a locked thread or canceled thread. You see, I was under the impression that I also had the freedom to select what posts I want to look at, and to comment on what I chose. I kinda feel like the cop in the Ferguson case , where the locals felt that their opinion meant more than the facts . I am yet to comment on someones thread negatively, or compare it to past threads, instead I will try and offer an informed reply based on my personal experience, or not reply and sit back and learn something new. Penis envy, flogging the dead horse, soap and all I am sure are valid for some who have been around long enough to know better, but newer folks will continue to ask and post on subjects long traveled , as it obviously means something to them. So instead of ..... here we go again and get out the popcorn ..... , rather move on to the next thread. I fail to understand why some will go out of their way to chastise a poster and complain that they have seen it all before, when they can just move on and allow someone that has not seen it enjoy/hate it for themselves.
I actually feel a lot better now so go ahead and have at it.

 

[arjayes]

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't get offended easily and I wish everyone was a little more thick skinned. I don't know who the mods are really protecting by locking a nasty thread. As you said, don't read it if you don't like it. I'd rather see habitual trolls get banned from the forum, at least temporarily, than have the mods play nanny with warnings about the tone of the discussion or lock a thread.

As for repeats of old topics, that drives some of the old dogs nuts. A gentle reminder about the search function is fine, but often it gets a little nastier than that. Others think that rehashing old topics in new threads is healthy and normal for a forum like this and it helps educate new members. I fall into the latter camp. TO me it's better to have new members post and get involved than lurk in the background gathering information with the search function. This is an interactive forum, not Wikipedia.

 

[Ramseybella]

People will be people!!
We can say what we want whenever we want I never found anything foul mouthed or offensive on the BMW topics just opinions more bad than good its a Super Tenere forum what did you expect, lots of members have owned BMW's with out any issues.
Sure I myself have pushed the envelope from time to time we all do. but nothing so alarming as to push the emergency button and set off the Ansul system shutting down the whole kitchen so to speak.
We all would like to think our Tenere's are the best of the best but they will have issues as well.

Seems like the subject of BMW GS in any non BMW Adventure bike forum gets under the skin of some I noticed it does gather a higher percentage when it has to do with BMW's, I think it is the fact that some BMW adventure bike owners think it puts them in a higher level of status the bike they spent a S*it load of cash on is the only dream world traveler!!
At least 50% of the ones I have encountered get Fugly in the face when they see my Yamaha.
Case in point true story I had to break out the Oatmeal raisin cookies out of my top case 11 thousand feet in the mountains before these three snubs would lighten up and talk Bike Talk and just be motorcyclist and adventure seekers like myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Never the less eighty sixing a thread because of a few moans and groans is foolish, just drop the club and walk away from the battle and read another topic.

 

[snakebitten]

both excellent posts!

And that is coming from a forum blabbermouth. (this one anyways) Shocking post-count.
I only refer to that so that I can validate my opinion of this forum over most of it's time of existence.

In my opinion, it has been very well moderated! Amazingly moderated, even.
Now, having said THAT, I also feel the moderators of this forum kind of have it easy compared to a few of the other forums I frequent. Kind of like I wish it were as easy to raise my kids as it appears it is for the lady down the street that apparently gives birth to little saints.

I had it pointed out to me once that the Super Tenere actually lends itself to a more mature human being than many of the other kinds of bikes out there. As a result, the mathematical odds are in the moderators advantage here. Not completely immune to the crazies, of course. After all, people in California ride Teneres too. (Even 29 years in Minneapolis will finally wear off if you stay on the quack coast long enough) Did I say that? Thankfully we are in the Lounge.

 

[Derekj]

People will be people!!
We can say what we want whenever we want I never found anything foul mouthed or offensive on the BMW topics just opinions more bad than good its a Super Tenere forum what did you expect, lots of members have owned BMW's with out any issues.
Sure I myself have pushed the envelope from time to time we all do. but nothing so alarming as to push the emergency button and set off the Ansul system shutting down the whole kitchen so to speak.
We all would like to think our Tenere's are the best of the best but they will have issues as well.

Seems like the subject of BMW GS in any Adventure bike forum gets under the skin of some I noticed it does gather a higher percentage when it has to do with BMW, I think it is the fact that some BMW adventure bike owners think it puts them in a higher level of status at least 65% of the ones I have encountered get Fugly in the face when they see my Yamaha. Case in point true story I had to break out the Oatmeal raisin cookies out of my top case 11 thousand feet in the mountains before these three snubs would lighten up and talk Bike Talk and just be motorcyclist and adventure seekers like myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Never the less eighty sixing a thread because of a few moans and groans is foolish, just drop the club and walk away from the battle and read another topic.

Ramseybella,

I was trying to avoid which post originated my thoughts regarding my latest post, but once again I must defend my original thoughts. You see, this is not about which bike is better or not. Period. It Is about making a right decision for myself by not buying a bike with more problems than what I got. Hell, it could be me buying one of your bikes that has more problems than what I ended up with. Geez, my other bike is a harley with problems. Unfortunately for me, this time it happened to be a BMW that I wanted more than anything and due to how things worked out I believe I made the right decision. So to clear up any misconceptions , I think the BMW is a great product and that at this present time, its not for me.


The topic of this conversation was responding to posts others have made and the freedom to choose to participate or not with generally good intent. I will be happy to discuss BMW's with you in another thread you may wish to start if you "Dare" , as I would hate for this one to follow suit . Cheers

 

[Derekj]

Sorry I did not see this until after I hit the button.

Never the less eighty sixing a thread because of a few moans and groans is foolish, just drop the club and walk away from the battle and read another topic.

I asked the moderator to eliminate the thread after it was locked, as it served no purpose. Conversation was cut.

 

[arjayes]

In my opinion, it has been very well moderated! Amazingly moderated, even.

I did not mean to slam the moderators. It's a thankless job they do and much appreciated (by me anyway). The mods execute their defined mission very well. I just think the mission maybe leans a bit too far toward "keeping things copacetic", at the cost of losing some possibly interesting and entertaining "discussions". Copacetic can get boring!

I'd guess what happens is that the mods get PM'd to death by the more peace-loving and sensitive members here any time a cross word is posted, so the mods intervene just to quell the complaints. This thread is an opportunity for the less peace-loving members to chime in from the other side of things. Then the poor mods have to decide what the right balance is.

All in all things run very well here so no complaints from me if the status quo prevails. The rowdies always have the Tenere thread on ADVrider to blow off some steam!

 

[offcamber]

Well you are on a private forum so freedom of speech doesn't apply here.....you are at the mercy of the moderators. As you said, its your choice to read or reply to a thread its also your choice to not come here at all if you don't like the way its run. Not trying to be harsh its just the way it is.

The mods try to keep things friendly here..the BMW topic has been beat to death, some folks got their feathers ruffled in the past so yes the mods are a bit trigger happy when the BMW threads raise their ugly head. Other forums allow folks to go pretty far before locking or sending it to the "basement".

Moderating isn't an easy job and I think the ones here do a pretty good job at.

::021::

 

[Derekj]

Offcamber, your name tends to ring true to this thread ...... Pun Intended ......
I agree that the Moderators are doing a great job and would expect nothing different. Nobody said anything about not liking the way things are run. My provoked thoughts were based on others who feel like they have to contribute NOTHING to do with the actual topic but, rather whine about how many times a topic has been posted and pull out the popcorn , for what? Are they stirring the pot and hoping that their words are somehow going to educate us? or yes, get the thread locked. Thanks for the input.

 

[Big Blu]

Seems like the subject of BMW GS in any non BMW Adventure bike forum gets under the skin of some I noticed it does gather a higher percentage when it has to do with BMW's, I think it is the fact that some BMW adventure bike owners think it puts them in a higher level of status the bike they spent a S*it load of cash on is the only dream world traveler!!
At least 50% of the ones I have encountered get Fugly in the face when they see my Yamaha.
Case in point true story I had to break out the Oatmeal raisin cookies out of my top case 11 thousand feet in the mountains before these three snubs would lighten up and talk Bike Talk and just be motorcyclist and adventure seekers like myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As the owner of a BMW I see it differently. To me it seems some owners of other brands are less tolerant of BMW owners, not because they "talk Down" the other brands but simply because they own a BMW and are as passionate about their BMW as Yamaha owners, H-D owners, KTM owners, Suzuki owners Kawi Owners, Triumph owners, etc... are about the bike they ride. Above is a perfect example, BMW owners are classified and bashed simple because they own a BMW: "some BMW Adventure bike owners think it puts them in a higher level of status the bike they spent a S*it load of cash on is the only dream world traveler".
Why do folks feel it necessary to resort to name calling and classifying other because of their choice on bike? How do you know what they think? I don't get it! ::007::
Maybe it's penis envy, because well known that every BMW owner has huge penis! ::013:: ::013:: ::013::

In a prior BMW thread I was warned by a moderator here for "poking" and "unintentional poking". I have absolutely no idea what that means and when I asked for an explanation or example I request was ignored, anyone ? To me it appears that even the moderators here have a bias. I suspect another such warning is now forthcoming. ::019::

FWIW.... freedom of speech is a wonderful thing as long as everyone acts respectfully. Here, it has turned to name calling and has even resulted in threats, yes threats! I spend time on many forums and no where else do I see nearly as much activity against other brands as I see here in regards to BMW. Why? Ya know it's a fuck'n motorcycle and we are all enthusiast, why isn't that enough?

Paul

 

[Derekj]

Big Blu,
I have got to ask ........ What the &*&^&^*&^ has all this BMW talk got to do with my thread ?????
You guys crack me up. Almost the same posters here commented on my "closed" thread for "here we go again", etc bullsh&t and now are having at it themselves. I give UP.... You guys need to learn how to read all the content of posted messages and not just a selected bit and you will see that I tried to get the BMW in the room outta here.
No lets have a Beer ::003::

 

[Ramseybella]

Derekj,

You had it requested it to be pulled before i could re read it..

For what it's worth as we all seem to live in the land of Babel when it comes to discussing BMW pros and cons and such..
Lets just say I have no input on the brand as i never owned one I think they look cool. But I know how most riders of other bikes act when we meet, it seemed them damn cookies broke down the wall that day I was getting attitude at first, I can tell you other stories but I won't. :-*
Lets just put the Dog down and say good night riders tomorrow is a new day.. ::021::

 

[bigbob]

No lets have a Beer ::003::

So where are you? Need to know how far I have to ride to pay for a beer. With $1.99 gas (in Oklahoma today and premium would be about 2.20) I need to know what the beer will really cost!

 

[Derekj]

Hey BigBob , easy ride. Check out my profile and enlarge the satellite map. You can even see my house. If you ride down I'll buy the beer. ....

 

[Big Blu]

Big Blu,
I have got to ask ........ What the &*&^&^*&^ has all this BMW talk got to do with my thread ?????
You guys crack me up. Almost the same posters here commented on my "closed" thread for "here we go again", etc bullsh&t and now are having at it themselves. I give UP.... You guys need to learn how to read all the content of posted messages and not just a selected bit and you will see that I tried to get the BMW in the room outta here.
No lets have a Beer ::003::

My response was aimed at the post by Ramsaybella. He headed off into the space too often travelled by some hear of criticizing folks because of their choice to ride a BMW.
As a former ST owner and BMW rider I object to the general bashing of others because of the bike they chose to ride. I don't come here attempting to convience anyone about their choice unless they ask. Anyone want to talk about the merits of any motorcycle I'm all in. If it's a personal attach or slanderous comment about others because of the bike they ride, leave it home we don't need it hear.
I reserve the right to defend my choice of motorcycle, and to defend others who are not here to defend themselves.

Tell me, what prompted you to open that "other thread"? Was it to convince yourself that you made the right decision when you purchased the ST?
I suspect it would be easy enough to pull together a similar list of ST "problems" by simple going to the Discussions thread, surfing titles and compiling a list, no?

As for a beer, hell yes! ::008::

Paul

 

[2112]

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't get offended easily and I wish everyone was a little more thick skinned.

::026::

 

[Big Blu]

::026::

Thick skin is good, R-E-S-P-E-C-T is even better! ::003::

Paul

 

[BravoBravo]

Hey BigBob , easy ride. Check out my profile and enlarge the satellite map. You can even see my house. If you ride down I'll buy the beer. ....

I see you are close to San Antonio. My wife and I visited there a couple of years ago. Loved it! The River Walk is fantastic, and walking through the Alamo fulfilled one of my lifetime dreams.

Cheers,

Bruce

 

[bigbob]

If you ride down I'll buy the beer. ....

My daughter lives in Austin. Son-In-Law with Harley V-Rod wants me to come down so we can do an Iron Butt ride. So he wants me to ride 900 miles so I can ride 1500 with him? (we already have the 1000 in 24 together). So if that happens you can buy the pain killer, I mean beer!

 

[AVGeek]

I've been a bit busy lately...between my annual TG dune trip and my wife and I taking a trip to celebrate our 20th wedding anniversary, I haven't had much time at home to keep up with the board. First, thanks to the members who commented positively on how the board is moderated. Right now, you guys are stuck with me (for those who missed it, REM stepped down, and Swagger hasn't been around since May), and this is as much your board as it is Venture's. He and I have had a few conversations about potential moderator candidates, but no decisions have been made yet, so that is as much as I can say. Second, since announcing "stepped up" moderation back in September, I have not had much different to do as before the announcement. Snake is right, this board is very easy to moderate as compared to another board where I cut my teeth, and other forums of which I am a member. So you guys have my thanks for that. Which leads me to why I am commenting on Derek's thread; the majority of the actions I have taken recently center on one topic, the BMW GS. We have three separate threads with this as the main topic, and all three of them became contentious to point where locking them from further comment was the best course of action to take. Which is also why I announced a moratorium on the subject. It's the most extreme action I've taken since I've been a moderator, and one I didn't enjoy doing. I believe this a lively board, with enough differences to make things interesting, while at the same time I don't think it needs to be as wild and wooly as ADVRider. (Besides, there are really only two threads there, while we have an entire forum to spread out in here. ) I've said it many times, my goal in being a moderator is not to stifle discussion and debate, but rather to keep things from devolving into mud slinging and name calling, and driving members away. I volunteered for this, and I take the responsibility seriously, so I do appreciate the feedback, good, bad or otherwise.