CCT, should i be concerned?

[fraserdog]

I have recently purchased an S10 2012 Worldcrosser with 4.5k miles on the clock,i have been reading on the forum about CCT issues and was wondering if i should be concerned and perhaps change it for a 2014 on one,the bike makes no adverse noises and I intend to keep it for the long term but what are the chances of having problems?

 

[Dogdaze]

I do believe this has been raised a few times before, whilst the 2012 version does get rattly, there has only ever been 2 failures, both bikes over 50k miles, and the noise of the CCT increase in length giving a clue as to it's impending demise. That's TWO! That's it, at least that we on here know of. Lots have changed to the new version or a MCT but not through failure. So relax, but change it if it makes you feel better. I do have one sitting in the garage, but doubt I will install, probably change bikes before hand.

 

[OldRider]

While there has been two failures discussed on this board, no one knows how many failures there have been. I would put a manual CCT on it, learn how to adjust it and ride worry free. One thing I have found out with every brand of MC I've owned is that the majority of riders never join a forum and discuss their bike.

 

[EricV]

Actually, I believe there have been 4 failures discussed on the forum, only one just under 50k, the others all over or well over that mark.

At 4.5k miles, no you should not worry about it. You will have ample warning that it's getting loud and should be looked at. Mine failed at about 80k. Knowing what we know now, most people just have it swapped out at the first or second valve check interval. (26k or 52k), depending on their comfort level. Or, if it starts to get loud and rattles on cold start up for more than 60 seconds.

Take that bike out for a ride and enjoy it.

 

[silvergoose]

::021:: at 4.5k miles I would not be concerned. Do you have any history on the bike? When is you next service, or will you being doing that yourself? If service is done at a dealer or any qualified service person make a note of the concern and ask if they concur.

If you are not one to maintain your own machine and a cct is needed I would suggest exchanging the 2012 model for a 2014 unit.

Good Luck

 

[EricV]

I would suggest exchanging the 2012 model for a 2014 unit.

Slight correction, there is no "2014" unit. The CCT part was updated to a new design, a superseded part number. You can't buy the old one any more, so just ordering a CCT gets you the current design.

This is different from the clutch hub, where the 2014 is a new design, but does not supersede the older part. We know it's directly compatible, but Yamaha hasn't gone there just yet.

 

[silvergoose]

Thanks, EricV. I was unaware that the first gen unit was not available.

Thanks, again.

Best regards,good luck

 

[SilverBullet]

Fraserdog do you have contact for the previous owner of your bike? Possibility the CCT may have already been updated.

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[tomatocity]

If you want to have a smooth and worry free Gen1 Tenere... replace or have the CCT and Clutch Basket replaced now. After that change the oil and replace the tires as the miles roll by.

Ps - I was one of the CCT failures at 52,200 miles. Complete warranty repair but it took 3 months and 23 days. After the rebuild I rode the 2012 about 70 miles. 70 very smooth miles. Wish I had replaced the Clutch Basket and CCT a year earlier. I knew that was the most value I would get for the 2012 so I traded it in on a 2015 ES. No regrets.

 

[fraserdog]

Fraserdog do you have contact for the previous owner of your bike? Possibility the CCT may have already been updated.

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Yes i've been in touch with both the previous owners and it hasn't been changed,perhaps it just me pannicking a bit for nothing.

 

[fraserdog]

If you want to have a smooth and worry free Gen1 Tenere... replace or have the CCT and Clutch Basket replaced now. After that change the oil and replace the tires as the miles roll by.

Ps - I was one of the CCT failures at 52,200 miles. Complete warranty repair but it took 3 months and 23 days. After the rebuild I rode the 2012 about 70 miles. 70 very smooth miles. Wish I had replaced the Clutch Basket and CCT a year earlier. I knew that was the most value I would get for the 2012 so I traded it in on a 2015 ES. No regrets.

I'd love to change the clutch basket but the prices for Yam parts in the U.K. is riduculous compared to what you pay in the U.S. I have a slightly bent riders footpeg and here in the U.K. my dealer wants £48,i see in the U.S. it is 21 dollars for the same part,madness.

 

[Checkswrecks]

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This man speaks the truth!

Actually, I believe there have been 4 failures discussed on the forum, only one just under 50k, the others all over or well over that mark.

At 4.5k miles, no you should not worry about it. You will have ample warning that it's getting loud and should be looked at. Mine failed at about 80k. Knowing what we know now, most people just have it swapped out at the first or second valve check interval. (26k or 52k), depending on their comfort level. Or, if it starts to get loud and rattles on cold start up for more than 60 seconds.

Take that bike out for a ride and enjoy it.

 

[EricV]

If you want to have a smooth and worry free Gen1 Tenere... replace or have the CCT and Clutch Basket replaced now.

In regards to the clutch hub: It's not a part that will fail, and I'm really not sure anyone would notice a difference on a bike with only 4500 miles. It's not even fully run in yet. Most Super Tens keep smoothing out to about 6k. I didn't really start to notice any vibrations under load/acceleration in the 3-4k range until around 40k miles. I do like the improvements from the '14 clutch hub and I installed mine when they first became available, but had 80k+ on the bike by then.

 

[fraserdog]

Thanks for all the input guys,i think i'll just keep an ear out for any untoward rattling as i go on then address the problem if it does appear.

 

[OldRider]

In regards to the clutch hub: It's not a part that will fail, and I'm really not sure anyone would notice a difference on a bike with only 4500 miles. It's not even fully run in yet. Most Super Tens keep smoothing out to about 6k. I didn't really start to notice any vibrations under load/acceleration in the 3-4k range until around 40k miles. I do like the improvements from the '14 clutch hub and I installed mine when they first became available, but had 80k+ on the bike by then.

My 13 model had a vibration at 3K rpm from day one. I changed out the clutch basket at 6k miles and the vibration was gone.

 

[EricV]

My 13 model had a vibration at 3K rpm from day one. I changed out the clutch basket at 6k miles and the vibration was gone.

Good feedback. So... you're a delicate little flower?

Seriously though, we all have a different threshold for vibration and what bothers us. Apparently mine is higher than some. It was getting to the point where I tried a couple of basket modifications from a fellow in TX that helped quite a bit, but didn't make it go away. I didn't want to live with it the way it was for a month on the road during my '14 Alaska trip, so worked with the guy for modifications. Then during the trip the '14 part became available at the reduced price and I ordered one using the wifi at a remote cabin in Alaska. It didn't get delivered until after I got back, but that's another story.

If nothing had helped, I suspect I would have tried the YES, then started bike shopping if that didn't work out. I don't remember even thinking about vibrations until after 40k, probably closer to 60k since I burned thru 12k in a couple of weeks in '13 and never though about it. I did have other things on my mind then.

 

[tomatocity]

I am with OldRider. Day 1.

 

[SilverBullet]

Does the 2014 clutch hub eliminate the bucket of bolts rattling sound at idle when bike is in neutral? My 2013 with 44K miles is thus far immune to the vibrations. Or maybe vibes are there and I am immune to them from years of riding two strokes and four stroke thumpers. Either way vibes a non issue for me but that rattle at idle might be worth a couple bucks to me to completely eliminate. When stopped for lengthy traffic signals, more often then not I like to put the bike in neutral. Keeping bike in gear with clutch engaged does eliminate rattle.

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[Checkswrecks]

Does the 2014 clutch hub eliminate the bucket of bolts rattling sound at idle when bike is in neutral? My 2013 with 44K miles is thus far immune to the vibrations. Or maybe vibes are there and I am immune to them from years of riding two strokes and four stroke thumpers. Either way vibes a non issue for me but that rattle at idle might be worth a couple bucks to me to completely eliminate. When stopped for lengthy traffic signals, more often then not I like to put the bike in neutral. Keeping bike in gear with clutch engaged does eliminate rattle.

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These engines, and especially the Gen1 bikes, always have a bit of a rocks rattling sound. Even so, what you describe sounds more like a loose Gen1 cam chain tensioner (2010-2013) and at your miles you are approaching where a few have failed. With the 52,000 mile valve check approaching, you might consider doing it a bit early and while apart replacing both the tensioner and the chain. The chain is only something like $80.

 

[SilverBullet]

These engines, and especially the Gen1 bikes, always have a bit of a rocks rattling sound. Even so, what you describe sounds more like a loose Gen1 cam chain tensioner (2010-2013) and at your miles you are approaching where a few have failed. With the 52,000 mile valve check approaching, you might consider doing it a bit early and while apart replacing both the tensioner and the chain. The chain is only something like $80.

Just had the CCT swapped out 2K miles ago. Whisper quiet at startup now. Mine was getting very loud and with long summer/fall rides planned I didnt want to push my luck. Covered under my YES!

Engaging the clutch has quieted the idle's "largest" rattle (not all noise) from day one. Makes sense too if you think about it as isolates the clutch hub from engine transferred vibes. All the springs and retaining cup washers jiggling around.

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