Canada owners - Please help with keys
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SpaceTraveler
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
2 blacks and one red
2 blacks and one red
Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
Thanks for the reply. I guess i need to continue my search. Took the key out sometime between november and now and cannot find it. Had the red key in the gun safe, found a black key in the laundry but the leather key ring looked a little new and unused, thus my question on the quantity of black keys. How the hell the "spare black" key got in the laundry is another mystery.
Thanks for the reply. I guess i need to continue my search. Took the key out sometime between november and now and cannot find it. Had the red key in the gun safe, found a black key in the laundry but the leather key ring looked a little new and unused, thus my question on the quantity of black keys. How the hell the "spare black" key got in the laundry is another mystery.
Fatallybitten
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
Did you happen to put one of your black keys in a special hiding place on the bike in case you lost the one you regularly use and have forgotten you did that? Don't ask why I raise the question. David
Did you happen to put one of your black keys in a special hiding place on the bike in case you lost the one you regularly use and have forgotten you did that? Don't ask why I raise the question. David
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Well, i do sometimes " hide" things thinking that i will easily remember where i had put it. And then this happens!! Its kind of cool in a way cause i sometimes find cash in the strangest places in the house that I hid and then forgot about
Well, i do sometimes " hide" things thinking that i will easily remember where i had put it. And then this happens!! Its kind of cool in a way cause i sometimes find cash in the strangest places in the house that I hid and then forgot about
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^ what he said ::26:: ::26::SpaceTraveler said:
barkingllizard
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
simply one red two black, immigrant, but you already got that answer.....
simply one red two black, immigrant, but you already got that answer.....
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This why I never intentionally hide anything anymore. I have enough trouble finding things when I put them where they're supposed to be! ::015::Fatallybitten said:
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
Ditto on the two black and one red key. As I recall, and given my advancing years there is a good chance that I recall poorly, the red key is necessary in order to produce other keys. YOu need the red key to produce other keys or you will have to replace then entire electrical system. It is tied in to the security system. I dunno …. I just know it's very important. I have mine stored away in a safe place …….. somewhere ….. I think. R ::024::
Ditto on the two black and one red key. As I recall, and given my advancing years there is a good chance that I recall poorly, the red key is necessary in order to produce other keys. YOu need the red key to produce other keys or you will have to replace then entire electrical system. It is tied in to the security system. I dunno …. I just know it's very important. I have mine stored away in a safe place …….. somewhere ….. I think. R ::024::
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Check with your dealer. Recalling again …. ::025:: I'm thinking you may be kaka'd. I think the red key is required to make additional keys. I do remember them telling me how IMPORTANT that red key is. You wanted a new bike anyway, didn't you ?? ::015:: Hopefully it won't come to that, but you may be in a bit of a tight spot. Please let us know what you find out. Good luck. R
Check with your dealer. Recalling again …. ::025:: I'm thinking you may be kaka'd. I think the red key is required to make additional keys. I do remember them telling me how IMPORTANT that red key is. You wanted a new bike anyway, didn't you ?? ::015:: Hopefully it won't come to that, but you may be in a bit of a tight spot. Please let us know what you find out. Good luck. R
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
You would need to take the red (master) key to a reputable locksmith or perhaps your Yamaha dealer, so that you can have another key cut/copied. The red (master) key is needed so that the black (clone) key can be programmed from the red key. There are other methods to have keys cloned from the black keys (think reverse engineering), but these are not usually available to the majority of users, and the process is generally expensive.immigrant said:
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I still have the red key and one black key. I see in the internet that i can get a yamaha black for $10 and from dealer for $80. Probably not the same quality transponder in the cheaper key. I also saw a video where the guys with the R1 transponder keys can reprogram the new black key by inserting the red key in ignition, turn it on and off, take out red key and insert black key. Turn on ignition with black key, wait 5 sec, turn off ign, insert second black key, turn on and wait 5 sec, turn off and all should be good.
Can anybody confirm this? The only bike my dealer ever sold was mine and one other. They are actually snowmobile and quad dealers and none of those have transponder keys, so i doubt they will have the expertise in reprogramming keys
I still have the red key and one black key. I see in the internet that i can get a yamaha black for $10 and from dealer for $80. Probably not the same quality transponder in the cheaper key. I also saw a video where the guys with the R1 transponder keys can reprogram the new black key by inserting the red key in ignition, turn it on and off, take out red key and insert black key. Turn on ignition with black key, wait 5 sec, turn off ign, insert second black key, turn on and wait 5 sec, turn off and all should be good.
Can anybody confirm this? The only bike my dealer ever sold was mine and one other. They are actually snowmobile and quad dealers and none of those have transponder keys, so i doubt they will have the expertise in reprogramming keys
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I gave my key "number" to my dealer to order a new black key, thinking they would be able to cut and program the new black key according to the info the "number" gave them.
Got told today that yamaha will send me a blank key because using the "number" on the tag is not always accurate. So now i have a blank key that needs to be cut!?! I then asked what about the programming of the transponder? After a long silence I was told it is in the bike manual (wich says to take it to the dealer)
So now i have a blank key with no one to program it. Emailed Yamaha Canada and they referred me back to my dealer.
Somebody please help me. Please ask your dealers what to do and if I can send my keys to them to sort out!!!
I still have one red and one black key. I need the new black key cut and programmed to my bike
I gave my key "number" to my dealer to order a new black key, thinking they would be able to cut and program the new black key according to the info the "number" gave them.
Got told today that yamaha will send me a blank key because using the "number" on the tag is not always accurate. So now i have a blank key that needs to be cut!?! I then asked what about the programming of the transponder? After a long silence I was told it is in the bike manual (wich says to take it to the dealer)
So now i have a blank key with no one to program it. Emailed Yamaha Canada and they referred me back to my dealer.
Somebody please help me. Please ask your dealers what to do and if I can send my keys to them to sort out!!!
I still have one red and one black key. I need the new black key cut and programmed to my bike
I feel cheated, I only got 2 black.
oh wait, I didn't get the ECU with all the secruity garbage either. I'm OK with that.
On one of the Ducati forums (Ducati has a long and sordid history with the red key deal) there is an intersteing solution. After making sure it can be read, make a couple dumb copies. Again after making sure it can be read from the location, epoxy the smart black key to the chassis near the ignition lock. Then your spare dumb keys will work just fine.
oh wait, I didn't get the ECU with all the secruity garbage either. I'm OK with that.
On one of the Ducati forums (Ducati has a long and sordid history with the red key deal) there is an intersteing solution. After making sure it can be read, make a couple dumb copies. Again after making sure it can be read from the location, epoxy the smart black key to the chassis near the ignition lock. Then your spare dumb keys will work just fine.
Hey Dave, how did you avoid that? I understood the red key was a standard security feature for all Super Tens, wherever marketed. My owner's manual goes into some detail about the red key and how you should pretty well abandon all hope if you lose it.Bigbore4 said:
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Bruce
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I'm in the US. We are not yet mandated with that sillyness. But Ducati makes em all the smae.
I'm in the US. We are not yet mandated with that sillyness. But Ducati makes em all the smae.
Ah, I see. I had not realized there was a difference between the U.S. and Canadian models (other than the miles/kilometres thing.) Thanks for clearing that up.Bigbore4 said:
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Re: Canada owners - how many keys?
Probably doesn't need saying but I'd find another shop to work on your bike, this looks to be a pretty basic operation.
Doug
If you can get the key cut here are the instructions to program the black keys from the red one.immigrant said:
Probably doesn't need saying but I'd find another shop to work on your bike, this looks to be a pretty basic operation.
Doug