Anyone use Waterwetter???

[Joe-JOE]

Anyone try some Waterwetter in the coolant?

These S-10's seem to run hot or say get hot quick, especially in Florida city street traffic.
I've got some Waterwetter in the crate of chemicals in the garage sitting there a few years.
Was thinking about popping the radiator cap off, pulling a few ounces out & putting a few ounces in of water wetter stuff.

If it can drop a few degrees, it might be worth it. Maybe not let that loud ass siren of a fan kick on as much, lol!

 

[~TABASCO~]

I uses the stuff in another bike years ago but not sure if it ever did anything... But being that its been 100 - 105 - 110* F here in Dallas Ft Worth, I know what you mean...... I came across something the other day I was thinking about trying. There is a temp sensor some where in the water circulation 'loop'. I read that if you tap into the two wires and feed them to a toggle 'on-off switch' you can turn on the fan anytime you want and leave it on as long as you want. I thought if the fan turns on and off and its still super hot I could leave the fan on a bit longer... Ultimately im sure the motor is still safe from the heat and Yamaha has tested it but I would like the temps to be lower if your in traffic when its 108 F out...... I have not tried the mod, but might look more into it when I have a little extra time...

 

[stevepsd]

Anyone try some Waterwetter in the coolant?

These S-10's seem to run hot or say get hot quick, especially in Florida city street traffic.
I've got some Waterwetter in the crate of chemicals in the garage sitting there a few years.
Was thinking about popping the radiator cap off, pulling a few ounces out & putting a few ounces in of water wetter stuff.

If it can drop a few degrees, it might be worth it. Maybe not let that loud ass siren of a fan kick on as much, lol!

I use water-wetter in my liquid cooled bikes for a number of years without issue.

On my Tiger1050 it did seem to drop my overall temp gauge reading. I have not put any in the ST yet, but will do when I change its coolant. I find the ST to run fairly cool in the Mojave desert heat (180-190) indicated with ambient at 110F at highway speeds and a bit above 200 in the little stop-n-go traffic we have. It certaily runs cooler than my Tiger1050 and TDM850.

 

[creggur]

Guess my perspective is skewed - my VFR was hardly ever under 200 in the summer here in Florida. Side radiator bike thing I guess?

 

[Maxified]

... I came across something the other day I was thinking about trying. There is a temp sensor some where in the water circulation 'loop'. I read that if you tap into the two wires and feed them to a toggle 'on-off switch' you can turn on the fan anytime you want and leave it on as long as you want. I thought if the fan turns on and off and its still super hot I could leave the fan on a bit longer... Ultimately im sure the motor is still safe from the heat and Yamaha has tested it but I would like the temps to be lower if your in traffic when its 108 F out...... I have not tried the mod, but might look more into it when I have a little extra time...

The fan switch mod worked well in my old Vmax, but I'd recommend leaving the temp sensor in the circuit as well so if you do not manually turn on the fan it will activate via the sensor if thing get a little too warm.

I have not tried the manual switch mod in my ST but I recently rode with another list member at Merritt Island who had done so, just can't remember which person. :

As far as the Water Wetter stuff, aren't you supposed to run that stuff with just water and no coolant? I don't know for sure, but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember $hit).

 

[tpak]

What temps do folks usually see. It's been in the mid to upper 90's here the lsat week and we are very arid <30% humidity most of the time. I see 180-190 frequently and as soon as I get off of the slab it spikes to between 210-200 regardless of the temps. I've been tempted to drain the coolant and refill just so I know what is in there - I picked up the bike 2.5 weeks ago used with only 850 miles on the odomoter so I doubt a coolant issue but who knows what the dealer did that sold it to the original owner. If those are normal temps then no big deal.

TIA

 

[Karson]

Is WW still designed to be used with straight water? I had very little luck adding it to my '09 KLR that had glycol coolant in it...IMO the only way to increase the cooling capacity of a system is to increase it's overall capacity...I had better luck with Engine Ice.

Temps will still rise and fall just as quickly as before, they just are a little lower than they would be without additives

 

[Don in Lodi]

Anyone try some Waterwetter in the coolant?

These S-10's seem to run hot or say get hot quick, especially in Florida city street traffic.
I've got some Waterwetter in the crate of chemicals in the garage sitting there a few years.
Was thinking about popping the radiator cap off, pulling a few ounces out & putting a few ounces in of water wetter stuff.

If it can drop a few degrees, it might be worth it. Maybe not let that loud ass siren of a fan kick on as much, lol!

I too thought WatterWetter was a replacement for the coolant, not a concentrated additive. If it's a 50/50 mix, please use distilled water for zero mineral content.

 

[Dallara]

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Each of the following excerpt is from the Redline web site regarding Water Wetter...


"Red Line WaterWetter® is designed to provide improved metal wetting and excellent corrosion inhibition when added to plain water or a glycol coolant."


There is a lot more information in the following PDF Technical Info sheet: http://www.redlineoil.com/content/files/tech/WaterWetter%20Tech%20Info.pdf

Further, here is another quote from their web site at: http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=10


"Compatible with new or used antifreeze (including DEX-COOL and long-life versions) to improve the heat transfer of ethylene and propylene glycol systems"


Just FYI...

Dallara




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[20valves]

I've used it in track bikes. I certainly saw no ill effects but other than the fact that the water pump and everything else in the system was fine using only distilled water + water wetter, I can't comment on the cooling effectiveness.

If you have little danger of a freeze, using 60/40 water/antifreeze should keep you out of trouble with boil overs. A bit more water will cool off a little quicker than the typical 50/50 mix. And it sounds like adding a bit of the water wetter sure couldn't hurt.

It's getting so hot here I think the answer for me is gonna be to ride early and be in the pool before lunch.

Waiting for autumn.....

 

[HoebSTer]

I uses the stuff in another bike years ago but not sure if it ever did anything... But being that its been 100 - 105 - 110* F here in Dallas Ft Worth, I know what you mean......

If it is normally this hot where I would live, the only think I am going to be riding is a Water-Slide!!! Nope, haven't used waterwetter here, unless talking about the waterslide again.

Jeff

 

[stevepsd]

I too thought WatterWetter was a replacement for the coolant, not a concentrated additive. If it's a 50/50 mix, please use distilled water for zero mineral content.

You only use 1 ounce of water-wetter per quart of cooling system capacity (for small systems like motorcycles). And yes, you can use it with coolant.

It seemed to make a definite difference with my Tiger, running 1-bar cooler (not sure of the value of the arbitrary 'bar' on the temp display). Never had any issues running it, nor have I ever had a leaking water pump...which my KTM is prone have.....

 

[everetto]

All my buds use it in our race cars. Don't bother using it if you are running 50% glycol mixture - the specific heat capacity of the glycol mixture is what hurts you, relative to straight water. Yes, their literature says you can use it with coolant (so they won't lose sales) but even if you only use their data - look which mixture had the best results - pure water with water wetter. The issue with pure water is that you lower the boiling point relative to antifreeze mixtures (even under the pressure in the system), so if you don't cool the system down enough with the water and water wetter it can boil, which is to be avoided. Distilled water and WW lowered temps in my track car by about 15 degrees. As I said, it is less effective the higher percentage antifreeze mixture you run and all WW really is is a surfactant (dish soap in reality), which reduces the surface tension of the fluid which in turn allows for better "wetting" of the surfaces inside the system. It is the switch to water from antifreeze that buys you most of the tempterature reduction, but the WW is of some benefit.

 

[Don in Lodi]

You only use 1 ounce of water-wetter per quart of cooling system capacity (for small systems like motorcycles). And yes, you can use it with coolant.

It seemed to make a definite difference with my Tiger, running 1-bar cooler (not sure of the value of the arbitrary 'bar' on the temp display). Never had any issues running it, nor have I ever had a leaking water pump...which my KTM is prone have.....

Thank you.

 

[Joe-JOE]

Off topic experience yesterday.

My bike has shy of 2000 miles. The fan has always kicked on at 221.
It did that as usual a few times yesterday but...

I caught it kick on once yesterday when it read 216.
Very odd it did that.

 

[EricV]

::026:: to what 20valves and everetto wrote. WW is in part just a water pump lube/anti corrosion fluid so you can run strait water w/o rusting the system or destroying your water pump bearings. I've run water and WW with some extra pump lube for a track car and it performed a little better than antifreeze mixes, but not night and day. The larger aluminum radiator was eventually the key component to my needs there.

Keep in mind that the bike is not overheating. You may be hot, but 190-200 is no where near over heating on the bike. 220 isn't overheating either. As long as the fan comes on and cools the bike down to where it will shut the fan off when you're moving at speed, everything is fine.

And yes, the coolant temp goes up when you come off the interstate, having been run at higher rpms, then slow down to local road speeds. You just lost a ton of air flow pressure, it will take some time to re-equalize, unless it's simply too hot to do so, in which case the fan will cycle on and off, as it's designed to.

 

[jimmy z]

I have used ww for years in my street rods.The problem is,it works best with pure water.Mixed with antifreeze it does not work as good,but mixed it will give you better boil over protection.