Any issue with extra oil ?

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So I did a oil change last week. Usual procedure but I ended up filling extra (my mistake). When the bike comes up 85+ degrees, I can see the oil almost filling the whole sight glass. Last week when I started the bike, I could see while smoke coming from the bottom of crank case. It disappeared after the bike warmed up.

My question is - is it necessary to drain some oil or can I leave it like this and it will burn up over time naturally ?

Thanks for you advice in advance!


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I am not sure if it's more then 4 quarts or not, but definitely it is more then it should be based on what I see in the sight glass...


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Blue Star said:
I am not sure if it's more then 4 quarts or not, but definitely it is more then it should be based on what I see in the sight glass...


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When & how are you checking the oil to verify quantity?

You will want to be sure to reference the manual for the proper way, and let us know what the sight glass shows after checking the oil per the method in the manual.
 
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Drain it into a clean container and pay attention next time or drain it and replace it. I'm thinking Yamaha sets specs for liquids for a reason.
 

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So how many quarts did you start with before you started adding?? You don't know how much you put in?
 

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I topped mine up once (about 105 000 km) thinking it was low.
Put too much in and thought it was OK.
When I went for my next service my mechanic said there was a little oil coming from a hose connected to the water pump and he thought there might be a crook seal.
When I mentioned the excess oil he thought the excess may have been enough to pressurise the bottom end of the motor and force out oil.
After the service with the correct volume of oil there was no more oil leakage.
Lesson. Do not overfill!
 

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Unfortunately this is what it looks like after the bike warms up to about 90 degrees C. It may sound stupid but, no I didn't had exact measure. I relied on the sight glass for the last few pours. And stopped at the right level specified in the manual, but as I now know, there is a lag between pouring oil and the level rising in sight glass.

Can this do any permanent damage ? Otherwise the way I ride on highways , I loose between 200-400 ml for every 1000-1500 kms. Oil will level out in just one highway stretch.


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I think previously mentioned, the sight glass is borderline useless, it's a dry sump. Mine looked like that for about a month and I filled exactly 3600ml with a new filter. It is now registering about 60% up the sight glass.
 

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As stated above, this is a DRY sump motor. You are just looking at the oil tank with the sight window not the motor. (even though the tank is inside the motor case) The motor pumps in what it needs and then returns it to the tank. So as long as there is some oil you should be good. The only issue I can see with too much oil is if you completely fill the tank to the point that there is NO room left for the return to come into. But as long as you can see any air above the oil, you should be fine. ::021::
 

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Now the next question is how do you know you have drained all the oil out of every part of the motor to begin with? ::024::

As I just drain the bike both plugs center stand side stand pull the filter sit it back up and new filter and a gallon of Rotella, I don't sit and wait for the whole gallon to pour out I usually stop right before it starts showing residual flow out of the jug.
This may give me a little more than factory required amount but never had any issue doing it this way.
I turn the jug upside down and then drain it into another container to use for topping off when needed.

What seems to be the bigger hassle is when your trying to top off the motor when it is needing a top off then I begin to get concerned about over filling.
Yes the glass is a bit of a useless tool but I guess it's the only thing we have to judge the amount.
Any suggestions on topping off method?
 

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Check for oil in the catch located at the left-rear section of your airbox. Sustained high RPM cruising may force oil into the box and it will gather in this area.
 

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Blue Star said:


Unfortunately this is what it looks like after the bike warms up to about 90 degrees C. It may sound stupid but, no I didn't had exact measure. I relied on the sight glass for the last few pours. And stopped at the right level specified in the manual, but as I now know, there is a lag between pouring oil and the level rising in sight glass.

Can this do any permanent damage ? Otherwise the way I ride on highways , I loose between 200-400 ml for every 1000-1500 kms. Oil will level out in just one highway stretch.


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That level looks it is at the top of the full level. Not a thing to worry about if your picture is taken after checking the level per the manual. And like everyone else has said, it is a dry sump, you really have to overfill it to cause any damage.

You can really "chase" that oil level. Take it out for a good ride, then check. I have chased that level so many times, that I just put in 3.5 quarts and go for a good ride after letting it run a couple of minutes to check for any leaks . Then I check it. Usually just a smidge more if at all.

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Blue Star said:


Unfortunately this is what it looks like after the bike warms up to about 90 degrees C. It may sound stupid but, no I didn't had exact measure. I relied on the sight glass for the last few pours. And stopped at the right level specified in the manual, but as I now know, there is a lag between pouring oil and the level rising in sight glass.

Can this do any permanent damage ? Otherwise the way I ride on highways , I loose between 200-400 ml for every 1000-1500 kms. Oil will level out in just one highway stretch.


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I assume that is the level with the engine warmed up but shut off? If so the level looks about perfect. On mine I put in 3.75Qt with a new filter and the level is the same or just a bit higher (can't see the surface unless I lean the bike to the left a couple of degrees. Doesn't worry me.
 

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BaldKnob said:
Check for oil in the catch located at the left-rear section of your airbox. Sustained high RPM cruising may force oil into the box and it will gather in this area.
When I checked my air filter (at 18k) there was a bit of oil in the airbox, maybe a spoon or two's worth, I expect this is just from whent he bike has been caned a bit and come oil has misted up through the breather.

I personally do not worry too much about the level as it is a dry sump motor, I check level now and again and top up, sometimes when warm the level ends up looking over, but I know I topped it up fairly accurately so do not worry. if I thought I had chucked a significant extra amount in I would drain some off.
 

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Several other have correctly stated this is a dry sump motor and given good reasons why some extra oil is not of concern. ::008::

Bald Knob wrote "Sustained high RPM cruising may force oil into the box and it will gather in this area." which is true. ::012::

I will add that the oil in the filter box due to sustained high rpms occurs regardless of the amount of oil in the system. Too low, too high, just right, no matter. Sustained high rpms, or as Rasher said "when the bike has been caned a bit" will cause this to occur. It's not an indication that anything is wrong, in and of itself.

Repeated suggestions have been offered to check the oil in the manner described in the manual. They are referring to the owners manual that every bike came with, not the Factory Service Manual that costs around $90, so please dig out that manual, or go to the dealer and get one if you don't have one. It's a very useful reference tool.

The reason people are suggesting this is that the dry sump design makes it very unique to identify when the sight glass is providing a useful "measurement". The procedure is outlined in such a manner as to provide a uniform method that matches what Yamaha came up with to check their design. It's still not gospel or any real "measurement", but does provide a more useful bench mark by which you can guesstimate if you need oil or not. Think of it as checking to see if the goldfish are still alive. See oil, they're good. No oil, likely you should add a little.

Note that the Super Tenere, along with most Yamaha motorcycles, has a low oil LEVEL light, not a low pressure light.

In your case, because you don't know how much oil you put in to begin with, it's probably worth the trouble to check the oil exactly as described in the owner's manual so you can have some idea if it's hugely overfilled or not. If there is any air showing in the sight glass after following the procedure, stop worrying about it and just ride. Next oil change, consider actually measuring the amount you put in and putting in the correct 3.6 quarts, (ok, actually specified on page 7-14 for oil change with filter change as 3.59 US quarts or 3.4 Liters or 2.99 Imperial qt), for when doing a normal oil and new filter change.

You can buy plastic oil measurement cups at most motorcycle dealers that sell dirt bikes. Pretty cheap if you want something larger than a cooking cup measurement and handy for many moto related things. Don't use the wife's Pyrex measurement cups!

The owner's manual outlines the procedure on page 7-12 as follows:

1. Place the vehicle on the center stand. A slight tilt to the side can result in a false reading.

2. Start the engine and warm it up for ten minutes until the engine has reached a normal temperature of 60º C (140º F), and then turn the engine off.

3. Wait a few minutes until the oil settles, and then check the oil level through the engine oil level check window located at the bottom-right side of the crankcase.

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The engine oil should be between the minimum and maximum level marks.

4. If the engine oil is below the minimum level mark, add sufficient oil of the recommended type to raise it to the correct level.


One might note that they make no mention of if it's too high. :eek: Probably because that is not of much concern on a dry sump design, since the engine can only take what it needs and that amount is static, pumped thru and back to the reservoir.
 

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That overflow tube in the air box is small almost like a wart.
I have found some small amount of residual oil in my air box but not enough to be concerned, if this capture tube was an inch or inch and a half longer it would be sufficient enough to capture what little oil I find in the box..

I am planning on making an extended tube with a plug so I can drain that oil out from time to time mainly at oil change time.
 

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I guess I look at it differently, it will take 15 minutes to drain it measure and re-install it; why not just do it and put your mind at ease?
 
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