Another School Shooter. This makes me sick to my stomach.

[rush2112]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1


What are these sick people thinking? I wonder what could have been prevented if a teacher or administrator was ALLOWED to carry their gun? Could they have saved kids lives? And I don't want to hear from the media that if guns were outlawed this wouldn't happen. Last I checked Meth, Cocaine, and Heroin are illegal but the bad guys still find ways to purchase.....

God be with the families of all who were killed today....

 

[hANNAbONE]

just getting up to steam about this.

wow, this is something.

prayer heading up for the families.

 

[Ahdrvr]

Funny how all these shootings happens where guns aren't allowed. It just ensures a safe workplace for criminals.

 

[TommyBwell]

I had seen a little about this early but did not know how bad it was. A tragedy any time of year but particularly right now. How sick do you have to be to massacre 5-10 year old kids.

 

[coastie]

Ugh, horrible news.

 

[jaderider]

+1. And while it is hard for me to bring myself to do this, prayer for the shooter and his family.


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[HoebSTer]

so very sad for parents of lost ones!!!
It is nuts to see in NY Times people writing in asking politicians if this is now enough to jump into action and ban all guns. Unbelievable for sure, yet still not the cause of issue. I read a good bumper sticker the other day. "If guns kill people, then pencils mispell words."
I think our general issue comes from some sort of socio-humanity (i know this may not be a proper word, just couldn't think of proper one) issue all across the country. Somewhere along the way for these whacked out people, something hasn't been met within themselves in their heart and soul for sure.
If the scenario is true where gunman went into room by room to start shooting people, sure sounds like a dialog of a damn video game!!! I am not a fan of them for sure.

Love and hugs to all the innocent families!!!

 

[RockyDS]

It's desperately sad for all involved and difficult to know what to say. Nothing can ever be solved by killing innocent people.

I for one will certainly not be praying for the shooter, only the victims.

 

[MikeBear]

I can't wait for every politician to use this tragic event for their own agenda. This sucks. I'm pro gun and think, that there is no way to control guns in the hands of criminals. Very simple truth is, if you make guns legal for everybody to have, no criminal would dare to rob anybody because he might get killed. Now he knows, that there is nobody to stop him.
I bet that if there was one teacher with Glock19 in that school this morning, we would have less kids laying on the floor dead. And if that maniac knew, that there might be teacher with a gun, he would not go in there.

 

[Koinz]

I've been listening to this news all afternoon and it's very sad. It's too bad the shooter was a kid himself and obviously troubled.

 

[lotecredneck]

I can't wait for every politician to use this tragic event for their own agenda. This sucks. I'm pro gun and think, that there is no way to control guns in the hands of criminals. Very simple truth is, if you make guns legal for everybody to have, no criminal would dare to rob anybody because he might get killed. Now he knows, that there is nobody to stop him.
I bet that if there was one teacher with Glock19 in that school this morning, we would have less kids laying on the floor dead. And if that maniac knew, that there might be teacher with a gun, he would not go in there.

If one looks back at history, not one shot was fired in Oklahoma city, but a buch of manure was used and box blades and airplanes was used to bring America to it's knees on 9-11! Gun control is NOT the answer.

Tony

 

[GrahamD]

Last I checked Meth, Cocaine, and Heroin are illegal but the bad guys still find ways to purchase.....

Time to legalize Meth, Cocaine, and Heroin then?

 

[Twisties]

I think it is self-evident that the choice of tools one uses affect the outcome of any endeavor. Guns may not pull their own triggers, but if they are the same as knives and ball bats then why aren't you satisfied with just those? Guns, plainly, are more lethal, act at greater distances, are more impersonal, and less risky to those wielding them than other common weapons. Consequently guns kill more so than other things that come easily to hand, and of course, the statistics show, guns are what are doing the carnage in the US. In my mind that means, "Guns kill." Legally owned guns, for the most part, by the way.

Mind you, the Supreme Court has made it clear that outright bans of handguns will not be the law of the land in the US. But, just as clearly the court has indicated that rational and reasonable restrictions are appropriate. No right is absolute. Thus, our task over the next several decades will be to hash out what sorts of restrictions we want, that meet the test of rationality and are reasonable. Every Freedom has it's costs. We, in the US, balance those costs vs the values of the Freedoms in question. We always have.

How about instead of repeating tired old slogans and such, we honor the victims of today's tragedy and move beyond the well hashed boundaries of the gun debate to consider:

What is that we all want? May I suggest that a reasonable goal would be preserving private gun ownership while minimizing the costs to society.

What are some rational and reasonable provisions that gun owners might suggest to further our goals?

It seems to me the only good that can come of this is to make some progress towards improving our safety.

 

[erenet]

Funny how all these shootings happens where guns aren't allowed. It just ensures a safe workplace for criminals.

I hear the same on the news! I don't think it maters when the criminals are wiling to take their own lives, they will do some damage before they go down themselves.

 

[Firefight911]

I think it is self-evident that the choice of tools one uses affect the outcome of any endeavor. Guns may not pull their own triggers, but if they are the same as knives and ball bats then why aren't you satisfied with just those? Guns, plainly, are more lethal, act at greater distances, are more impersonal, and less risky to those wielding them than other common weapons. Consequently guns kill more so than other things that come easily to hand, and of course, the statistics show, guns are what are doing the carnage in the US. In my mind that means, "Guns kill." Legally owned guns, for the most part, by the way.

Mind you, the Supreme Court has made it clear that outright bans of handguns will not be the law of the land in the US. But, just as clearly the court has indicated that rational and reasonable restrictions are appropriate. No right is absolute. Thus, our task over the next several decades will be to hash out what sorts of restrictions we want, that meet the test of rationality and are reasonable. Every Freedom has it's costs. We, in the US, balance those costs vs the values of the Freedoms in question. We always have.

How about instead of repeating tired old slogans and such, we honor the victims of today's tragedy and move beyond the well hashed boundaries of the gun debate to consider:

What is that we all want? May I suggest that a reasonable goal would be preserving private gun ownership while minimizing the costs to society.

What are some rational and reasonable provisions that gun owners might suggest to further our goals?

It seems to me the only good that can come of this is to make some progress towards improving our safety.

I find that the user of the tool; whether it be gun, car, knife, bat, or fist, is the determinant of the event occurring in the first place so let's get away from addressing the symptom and address the problem. The problem isn't guns, IMO, it's the person behind the trigger.

It's time we focus on the mental well being of an individual, stop enabling, return to a society of consequence, and start exercising some personal responsibility. A gun falls not under any of these but the person wielding it does. Our society has chosen to shift the responsibility and consequence to the victim. Let's put it back where it belongs, cut the political correctness crap and start telling it like it is and start having real conversations and then real action.

 

[Karson]

Well said


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[Checkswrecks]

Funny how all these shootings happens where guns aren't allowed. It just ensures a safe workplace for criminals.

Actually not true, as it's pretty easy to get a concealed carry permit in Connecticut. btdt


I shoot IDPA, grew up hunting, and with the USMC. Please do kill as many deer as your State limit allows. There are legit reasons to own or enjoy weapons. The military, police, and a few others have a need for efficient weapons, but this is not about law enforcement or military.


My view is that the answer is not in society. It's in how we (me included) as individuals do not do enough to reach to the individuals in our daily lives. Somebody like you and me interacted with these shooters on a daily basis. My observation is that people who have connections don't do this kind of stuff. This includes those who are not part of, but feel the need to act to become connected to some ideal, such as a militia (Timothy McVey). Whether it's connected religiously, to their inner selves (Buddhism), or as part of a social group, people who are "part of" don't have this need. So it's not about giving to some charity or extolling a government ideal, it's about EACH of us extending ourselves to people we meet in our daily lives.


I will also agree with Twistie about limiting lethality of civilian hardware. You already can not run down to Walmart to buy a M79, full auto anything, Claymore mine, or bazooka. I know how to use my concealable 9mm defensively and it's fun to shoot a semi auto AK or AR. But a high capacity 9mm or 223 magazine is not needed to hunt deer or for self protection.

 

[cbrunsw]

Actually not true, as it's pretty easy to get a concealed carry permit in Connecticut. btdt


I shoot IDPA, grew up hunting, and with the USMC. Please do kill as many deer as your State limit allows. There are legit reasons to own or enjoy weapons. The military, police, and a few others have a need for efficient weapons, but this is not about law enforcement or military.


My view is that the answer is not in society. It's in how we (me included) as individuals do not do enough to reach to the individuals in our daily lives. Somebody like you and me interacted with these shooters on a daily basis. My observation is that people who have connections don't do this kind of stuff. This includes those who are not part of, but feel the need to act to become connected to some ideal, such as a militia (Timothy McVey). Whether it's connected religiously, to their inner selves (Buddhism), or as part of a social group, people who are "part of" don't have this need. So it's not about giving to some charity or extolling a government ideal, it's about EACH of us extending ourselves to people we meet in our daily lives.


I will also agree with Twistie about limiting lethality of civilian hardware. You already can not run down to Walmart to buy a M79, full auto anything, Claymore mine, or bazooka. I know how to use my concealable 9mm defensively and it's fun to shoot a semi auto AK or AR. But a high capacity 9mm or 223 magazine is not needed to hunt deer or for self protection.

You said it brother. Get to know your neighbours. Reach out to people who don't seem to fit in. Get involved if you think something isn't right at some kids home. It takes a community to raise a kid. It can be very rewarding as well!

 

[MikeBear]

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety and will eventually loose both."
Ben Franklin.

 

[coastie]

The gun did not kill anybody. It was the chosen tool used by a person to kill on this day. Crazy is Crazy and people set to kill people will use what ever means possible. I do not own guns, but I do believe in the right to have them and believe a national licensing policy would go a long way in reducing the amount of emotionally unstable people that own them. Disarming law abiding citizens is a BAD idea. Making it more difficult for criminals and the mentally ill to obtain a gun is a GOOD idea. Political correctness, deterioration of morals and values, and everybody is a winner syndrome has contributed more to the delinquency of our society than an inanimate object. Its hard to take the crazy out of people once its already hardwired in. Killers are going to kill; if not with guns it will be IED's, homemade chemical agents/toxins, edged weapons...etc. Another part of the plan needs to focus on education. Education that will restore moral and ethical values to our children, which in turn will help them deal with society and the life struggles they will encounter.