AltRider Universal Joint Guard - CAUTION

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krussell: I appreciate that top shot you took and it does illustrate how far the piece is angled in. In my case I rarely wear pants tight at the ankle unless it's frigid or raining hard. On the KLIM Badlands pants there are three snaps for varying degrees of closure. Unfortunately mine were at the widest point for the first ride with the guard and they must have been flapping like a flag against it in addition to whatever contact my movement created. Being up and down on the pegs often has me hyper aware of the trappings of a catch ever since a low speed fall due to the OEM guard. Glad that's not been your finding.

patrickg450: Your boot and guard look fine to me. Just signs of normal rub. Your experience with the "A" on mine would not have ended as nicely.
 

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Correction to my having said that the damaged pants were KLIM Badlands Pro. I was mistaken, they were my brand new KLIM Latitude Misano pants.
 

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p51super10bombay said:
Clearly the fault is you're as you seem to have purchased the part before it was ever produced.............time travel perhaps? ::025::
Fixed it - 12/30/13 purchase date. I get my years screwed up easily - I'm currently working on products for 2015....
 

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As already mentioned in this thread, a small batch of the AltRider Universal Joint Guards went through the QA process without the usual vibrating/deburring process. We use the deburring process to soften edges on any parts that come into contact with the rider to avoid this particular issue. If your AltRider Universal Joint Guard is part of the batch that skipped this step, we will replace the part at no cost to you.

If any of you are having issues with your Universal Joint Guard, please contact Matt at info@altrider.com with your original AltRider order number or proof of purchase from an outside vendor.
 

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I buy KLIM products for their undeniable quality and excellent reputation. In over 8 years of using them I’ve only experienced two minor failures that were rapidly addressed by them to my total satisfaction. Can’t beat that. Sure, I’ve damaged some from the rigors of off-road riding and the invariable occasional fallout from that, but I just replace them and move on. They’re expensive, but they’re worth it.

My first experience with Sidi boots was with their Canyon model. Excellent reviews, excellent apparent quality, and a fine brand reputation. They’re great boots with a perfect fit.

With respect to AltRider’s guard defect I experienced clear and irrevocable damage to both the Sidi Canyon boot (left only), and the KLIM Latitude Misano pants (left leg/cuff only). Both were purchased brand new for this season. In the first 100 miles after having installed the guard, both the boots and pants experienced their warranty voiding demise directly from AltRider’s guard. Very unfortunate for both them and I to be sure.

My complaint regarding the defective guard was brought to their attention immediately and was also posted here as a pre-emptive caution for others. AltRider’s response to my concern was both prompt and courteous, although they had avoided responding to the gear damage in their first few emails and only spoke of the guards’ return. I’m hopeful that they’ll send along the replacement and allow me to send the defective one back after, as I have it heavily taped up and am currently using it.

In the interim, I had ridden a friends’ bike off-road and had subsequently and irrevocably damaged the pants further. That damage occurred exclusively to the right leg… Positionally unrelated to the cutting that the guard had done to the left cuff.

After a few emails AltRider had requested that I send them pictures of both the damaged products. I promptly replied with pictures of the affected boot (also posted here), but was unable to send those of the pants as they had been assumed destroyed by a family member and disposed of… More unfortunately on garbage pickup day. Worse yet, before I took pictures. The timing could not have been worse. Clearly, it would now be a leap of faith for them to accept my word about the initial damage, and frankly I didn’t expect them to. This isn’t at all to say that I thought they shouldn’t.

Upon returning home yesterday I was pleasantly surprised to learn that AltRider had resolved the boot issue to my complete satisfaction. Additionally, they're of course replacing the guard at no cost to me. Realizing from personal business experience that these matters can go sideways pretty quickly, this was not the case. I applaud them for swallowing this bitter pill and for making perfectly good on their production error with respect to the boots.
However, they feel they’re not responsible for the damage to the pants as I stated that I had damaged them subsequently. Semantics? Perhaps.

Viewing the situation in it’s totality finds me having received compensation for 41% of my recent gear investment loss through no fault of my own other than having purchased their defective guard. I’m very uncomfortable with that. Yes, it’s unequivocally my error for having damaged the pants further, but the fact remains that they were a loss prior to that due to the guard. This of course is upon my word only.

The loss to both parties is plain to see. I feel for AltRider as these things can be difficult. Any opportunistic huckster can come up the pike seeking something for nothing, especially so with an admittedly defective product. In fact, they often seem to come out of the woodwork.

I retired at 40 due in no small part to having painstakingly committed myself to the axiom that the customer is always right. Maybe it’s the times, maybe it’s the company. Perhaps it’s my ego in addition to the pants that’s been damaged as my personal word wasn’t good enough… But a 41% solution is a pretty big disappointment by my measure.

No ill will toward AltRider. Continued success to them.


Please pardon the long post but I thought a summation would put this to rest better.
 

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Thumbs up to the folks at Altrider - they will be replacing the U-joint guard and we came to a reasonable settlement for my boot damage.
 

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Travex said:
Good to hear that zoombic.
Were the Klim pants damaged beyond all repair? I have their stuff, none of it cheap, and would investigate a repair of some sort before just tossing them. I'm, of course, not blaming you for the damage, but how bad was it that they were just tossed in the trash?
 

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Yes, totally damaged, and would be considered so by anyone's reason. The entire right outward leg from just below the knee-to-the-cuff was breached. That’s why they were mistakenly thrown away. I certainly agree concerning seeking repairs otherwise and appreciate your thoughts on that. Blame me only for the right leg please.

It could have been worse as I was wearing a friends’ boots which are taller than mine. Not a scratch to my leg. Nor were his tires/bike damaged. Silver lining there.
 

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RonH said:
I've avoided these issues by not adding "protectors". It really doesn't matter if it's a motorcycle, car, truck, go cart, or whatever. Over the years all the protectors have always caused more damage than what good they did protecting. Learn to not add useless aftermarket add ons.
As a rule I agree with your approach. Less is more is better. However, after having experienced the pant catch first hand, no doubt remains as to the efficacy of the guard. It's functional not fashionable for my purposes. Further, if I were to have designed and made my own it wouldn't look too different from AltRider's, save for style points mainly. The guard serves an absolute purpose. I just happened to get one with a defect.

Baggy pants allow optimum ventilation and layering possibilities and are essential to me.

I should be able to ride any non-custom motorcycle without fear of being able to put a foot down as I please. To me, the OEM guard is one of the exceptionally few flaws to be found on the finest two-wheel overland vehicle ever conceived. I'm done grousing about this problem as it's a minor distraction from the aforementioned privilege.

Thanks for your thoughts. ::003::
 

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I still am unclear as to whether this is a manufacturing defect or a design defect. The cut-outs are really sharp and although I strap my cuffs tightly around my boots, I worry about if I ride with significant leg-guard interaction (eg: some severe off-roading) that the abrasion potential will be realized.
 

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It's a manufacturing defect in that some got out the door having skipped the de-burring process. As the problem is only recent I'd go with the opinions of those who've had it longest. Even with this duct taped eyesore of a guard I no longer give any thought to the catch. That's all I wanted.
 

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My question is why hasn't Yamaha done anything about their guard. Did they keep the same guard for 2014? I've experienced the dreaded pant catching capabilities of the OEM guard and wonder why Yamaha hasn't recalled and redesigned it to provide a safe ride for all of us.
 

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The guard is unchanged for 2014. Seems the field's mixed with those who see it as a concern and those who don't. I viewed it as a possibility and it caught up with me.
 
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