There already are laws that say you have to have some sort of exhaust system, or against excessive noise but I have never heard of the many cruiser riders that run straight pipes around here with no muffler at all getting a ticket.RonH said:I hope and wish all states begin to enforce this law.
I'm with you on this. Years ago I had a custom end can made for me, very short and loud race can. It is required to have a 'BS Kite mark' stamped on all conforming pipes to be legal in the UK, so I had a stamp made for $30 and stamped it. All legal now. ::008:: How difficult to have the same made for US pipes by someone enterprising.....greg the pole said:pardon my ignorance, but If you only have a slip on, and your catalytic converter is in place, on you OEM headers,
how does the oem slip on pipe differ from an aftermarket one, with the exception of making more noise, and not having the approval?
my slip on would be the furthest thing from legal.Dogdaze said:I'm with you on this. Years ago I had a custom end can made for me, very short and loud race can. It is required to have a 'BS Kite mark' stamped on all conforming pipes to be legal in the UK, so I had a stamp made for $30 and stamped it. All legal now. ::008:: How difficult to have the same made for US pipes by someone enterprising.....
The answer is that the EPA regulates noise, as well as air quality, so the EPA certification is that an exhaust system meets both. A slip-on would have to be proven to meet the noise side by a tester for the EPA. Good luck with getting that.greg the pole said:pardon my ignorance, but If you only have a slip on, and your catalytic converter is in place, on you OEM headers,
how does the oem slip on pipe differ from an aftermarket one, with the exception of making more noise, and not having the approval?
It's not hard to figure this out. Johnny Law is looking for something that looks official. You give him something that looks official.FredBGG said:Well it's not a sticker. It's stamped into the metal.
Some have tried your idea on cars and paid huge penalties.
It is like riding with false plates.
I have no facts to back it up but I find this number unbelievable. The average motorcycle pumps out 12.5 times as much pollution as the average car? No f'ing way.FredBGG said:A recent study by Carb. (California Air Resources Board) found that despite motorcycle being only 0.8% of traveled miles they account for 10% of pollutants.
we have a tendency to stay away from biker barsFredBGG said:Yes you could get a ticket, but keep in mind a few things.
First of all this new law ... the one about visual inspection... is a secondary offense. You cannot be pulled over just to take a look for the stamp.
However if an Officer can pull you over for loud pipes and then just needs to see the missing stamp.
Even if your country does not require a stamp on the exhaust the officer can still ticket you if the pipe is visibly after market.
Stationary bikes can also be looked at and tickets issued. Non EPA compliance can also lead to being towed.
Last night a French couple had their rental towed for parking. I interpreted for them when they were trying to ask an officer how to get the car back.
It was a $399 ticket and tow fee.
One suggestion would be to stay away from biker bars or restaurants that are near other people that get annoyed by the ridiculous noise.
This is because the cops tend to have noise checkpoints at these spots. Then they do a "raid" it's a zero tolerance event.
They had one of these near me. They towed about 40 bikes, but that was a few years ago.
That said officers can be quite forgiving to travelers that are far from home.
i think you missed my point a little bit. I was not comparing NM to California, but was comparing the behavior of police in reference to violent criminals. All over the US, police would rather write tickets, seize property, and put people behind bars for drug offences, than they would confront violent criminals and get them off the streets.FredBGG said:Crime rates actually are not that bad... maybe you should have stayed. New Mexico is not doing to good.
FBI statistics put New Mexico way down there with the worst states
Higher numbers are worse:
Forcible Rape:
CA 7th
NM 48th
Burglary:
CA 29th
NM 50th (Worst state)
http://watchdog.org/126467/nm-fbi-crime/
That said I love New Mexico.