6000K lights non HID?

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Is there an option for direct replacement headlight bulbs in the 6000K range? I have the PIAA LP530s and want the headlights to match color temple. PIAA makes a 4000K Xtreme white but they aren't really extreme white. Not really looking for HIDs, just something in a higher color temp range.
 

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cory1848 said:
Is there an option for direct replacement headlight bulbs in the 6000K range? I have the PIAA LP530s and want the headlights to match color temple. PIAA makes a 4000K Xtreme white but they aren't really extreme white. Not really looking for HIDs, just something in a higher color temp range.
No, not really. Halogen is a lower temp range. The PIAA and other bulbs mimic a higher temp color by tinting the bulb, and in some cases, over driving the filament. HID has no filament, it's essentially a welding arc under glass, and can be tuned to different color temps.

There are LED bulbs that will fit the H7 base in the headlights, some putting out impressive light, but they are longer due to a cooling fan on the base of the "bulb" and you will have to either modify the plastic weather cover on the back of the headlight housing, or simple leave it off. Unknown what long term issues that may result in, certainly some depending on your riding conditions, water crossings, etc.
 

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EricV said:
No, not really. Halogen is a lower temp range. The PIAA and other bulbs mimic a higher temp color by tinting the bulb, and in some cases, over driving the filament. HID has no filament, it's essentially a welding arc under glass, and can be tuned to different color temps.

There are LED bulbs that will fit the H7 base in the headlights, some putting out impressive light, but they are longer due to a cooling fan on the base of the "bulb" and you will have to either modify the plastic weather cover on the back of the headlight housing, or simple leave it off. Unknown what long term issues that may result in, certainly some depending on your riding conditions, water crossings, etc.
Hmmm ok. Good to know. The PIAAs I have are LED so that explains their temp range. Any idea what temp the stock lights are? Maybe I just go with the 4000K PIAAs?
 

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cory1848 said:
Hmmm ok. Good to know. The PIAAs I have are LED so that explains their temp range. Any idea what temp the stock lights are? Maybe I just go with the 4000K PIAAs?
From the net:
Because you normally associate warmth with red or orange objects, this accounts for the "warm" descriptive name, even though it is a cooler temperature on the Kelvin scale. Halogen bulbs fall within the range of 2900K to 3500K. They impart a clear, white light with very little red or blue tones.
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cory1848 said:
I am familiar with the Kelvin scale. 2900-3500 is a good wide range. I guess I will try the 4000s.
The oem lights are closer to 3200k. Most riders looking for light to see by, as opposed to being seen, go with 4300k or 5000k when selecting HID. I have used PIAA and Silverstar bulbs in the past and they simply don't last as long as stock bulbs. Which sucks, considering the cost. Silverstars used to go out every 10k miles for me, about when I needed a rear tire, at the time. That may or may not be an issue for you. Just sharing the info.

Are you just wanting the two sets of lights to look the same from a pedestrian's point of view?
 

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I wouldn't go above 5000K. If you do, you actually start to loose definition on what's actually being illuminated. Especially so with roadside foliage and animals. Could be important depending where you ride.
 

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EricV said:
The oem lights are closer to 3200k. Most riders looking for light to see by, as opposed to being seen, go with 4300k or 5000k when selecting HID. I have used PIAA and Silverstar bulbs in the past and they simply don't last as long as stock bulbs. Which sucks, considering the cost. Silverstars used to go out every 10k miles for me, about when I needed a rear tire, at the time. That may or may not be an issue for you. Just sharing the info.

Are you just wanting the two sets of lights to look the same from a pedestrian's point of view?
I would like the light to match from riders perspective. With the PIAAs on, I have those set a little wider than the main headlight. So its white light, yellow light then white light. I want that to match, or as close as I can get it. Looking for direct replacement as well. I don't want to mess with a conversion kit for HIDs or anything like that. I assume Yamaha doesnt make their own bulbs, just hoping there would be some options for a whiter light bulb that would last as long as the stock set up. Thanks for that info, it is helpful.

When I had my Tiger 800XC, that stock lamp was very good. I added LED spots from LEDrider.com and that set up lit up a campground. Very impressed by that. Not sure what the color temp on those were but had to have been in upper 5000K range. Looking to get back to that amount of light.
 

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Andylaser said:
I wouldn't go above 5000K. If you do, you actually start to loose definition on what's actually being illuminated. Especially so with roadside foliage and animals. Could be important depending where you ride.
Thats a good point. Didn't consider that. Thanks.
 

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cory1848 said:
I would like the light to match from riders perspective. With the PIAAs on, I have those set a little wider than the main headlight. So its white light, yellow light then white light. I want that to match, or as close as I can get it. Looking for direct replacement as well. I don't want to mess with a conversion kit for HIDs or anything like that. I assume Yamaha doesnt make their own bulbs, just hoping there would be some options for a whiter light bulb that would last as long as the stock set up. Thanks for that info, it is helpful.

When I had my Tiger 800XC, that stock lamp was very good. I added LED spots from LEDrider.com and that set up lit up a campground. Very impressed by that. Not sure what the color temp on those were but had to have been in upper 5000K range. Looking to get back to that amount of light.
I understand what you're saying. And while there is value in that, there is also value in different colors as it can increase the contrast that the human eye notices. I run a mix of stock halogen, 4300k HID and LED, each for different needs.

The center light is a Xenarc X1010 DOT legal HID low beam with a very wide beam, (ditch to ditch, about the same aim point as the oem headlight low beam, and fills in between there and the bike), that has a sharp cut off and can be used in oncoming traffic w/o blinding other vehicles. The two outside lights are Cyclops10 watt, 10º spot LEDs. Not sure what color temp those are, but they are set to cross and illuminate beyond the high beam range. They give me about a 10-15' circle of light past the high beams that hits the ditches and the road, allowing for very good long range punch in the areas like the NV desert where I can use all the light I can throw. Between the three colors of light, things stand out very well, contrast wise, and moving objects, (animals), become very apparent as they move, (or I do), thru the light patterns.

The LEDs are wired to come on with the high beams, (I'm not a daytime high beam user), but can be switched off as well). the HID is independently switched and is an old gen of HID that requires significant warm up to get to full brightness.
 

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Cory1848 - were you able to change the lights to the specific temperature? Please let me know as well.I have the same question as yours, I do not want to change anything except the bulbs,but I want a whiter light than the stock.
 

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I'm not Cory... ;) but since the earlier discussion I remembered that many people have had good results and longevity with Osram Nightbreaker bulbs. A little poking of the internet found that they are now offered in H7 size and rated at 3600k, which is a bit whiter than the ~3200 of the stock halogen bulbs. Pricing is not bad. $25-40 a pair, depending on where you buy them. Better longevity than Silverstars, from what I've read in the past. Claims to be 20% whiter than stock.

UK vendor that ships free to the US - http://www.powerbulbs.com/us/product/night-breaker-unlimited-h7

US vendor thru Amazon -
http://www.amazon.com/OSRAM-Breaker-Unlimited-Automotive-Halogen/dp/B00GPJPC1C/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424104367&sr=1-1&keywords=osram+night+breaker+plus+h7
 

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I haven't had a chance to change them out of pick up a new pair. Its still in the works for me. Have to check out those Osram bulbs.
 

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Osram and Sylvania are the same German company. I wonder if the Sylvania brand is US only? Anyone try both the Silverstar Ultra and Night Breakers?

Personally I've had good results with SS Ultras and never had one fail yet on multiple cars and bikes (knock on wood). But when I install I'm very careful. Even new out of the package I clean multiple times with IPA and lint free wipes and then wear latex gloves when installing. Skin oil, dirt and dust all mean early life failure on a halogen bulb.

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You know, I was reading once, dangerous, the skin oils on the hot running automotive bulbs aren't bad for the bulbs per-say, it's what the burn off does to the reflector and inside of the lens. Now, the super hot work lights, I've personally seen them explode if they've been contaminated.
 
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