10,000 mile rear tire?

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MikeBear said:
PR3trails is harder tire, so you should get more out of them.
I think it's a combination of where I live, the roads I ride and how I ride. I live in vicinitynity of some of the tightest, twistiest roads in the world and the surfaces are rarely smooth. I also ride pretty aggressively 2-up.
 

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MikeBear said:
::026:: on PR3s. Got rear PR3 sitting in the garage waiting for front one(revzilla is out of stock on them)
I hear people get 8-14k on them, so I guess I will get more.
FWIW, PR3Trails are very hard to find right now. At least the fronts. I had one on back order for over a month, kept getting told "the end of the month" for Oct, then Nov, now Dec. I hunted to the end of the internet and was able to find 6 tires. Yep, only six front 110/80R19 PR3 Trails among a huge list of vendors. A couple of the vendors replied telling me they thought they were discontinued, and had no time line on when or if any new ones would come into the pipeline. Many just kept telling me the same thing my original vendor was saying, "the end of the month". I ended up getting the last one Competition Accessories had, on a Sunday, only because the online customer service guy was not only working on Sunday, but took my online order number and locked me in for that tire, which shipped out the next day.

Motorcycle SuperStore had three, as of Monday 12/10 and I've forgotten the other two vendors that said they did actually have -one- in stock. One was a US arm of a UK tire company.

I'm putting on a set of PR3 Trails, but my research is showing that a PR2 rear will likely wear longer than the PR3, but not be as good in the rain. I'll see how the PR3 Trail holds up. After 6200 on the EXPs, (still had some life in them, but I really hated them and they were cupped badly), 12k off the first K60 rear, 22k off the first K60 front and 8500 from the second K69 rear, the PR3s will be a return to a more street oriented tire for me. Mostly I want to see how they wear for consideration of using them during the IBR. I'm going to miss the off pavement security of the K60s.

I have flogged the K60s pretty hard in the local canyon and while I did see the TCS light flashing, I never felt control was an issue with them. Worth noting is that I can drag pegs, but feel if I'm doing that on the street, I need to back it down a notch. Too many variables on the street imho, so if I catch myself pushing at that level, the peg drags, (or center stand on the right), is a warning to me. And I do shift weight and body, but am not a knee dragger type.

Tire life is generally about speed, temperature, road surface and riding style. I'm a smooth rider and don't whack the throttle much. When I lived in OR with the cooler, wetter riding on smoother roads, I consistently got 10-12k out of rear tires. On the Super Ten, I burned up 3/32" of the rear K60 that's coming off with 2000 miles of very fast riding in NV on coarse pavement and with high temps. That's the only reason this K60 rear didn't get what the first one did, mileage wise.
 

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I have had a front PR3 on order from Chaparral for several months and keep getting later delivery estimates. The latest estimate is the week of January 10, 2013. Thanks to justbob for a link to a vendor on ebay that has a few in stock, I bought one today and received confirmation of shipment. Their price of $134.99 shipped is a little higher than Chaparral's $126.88, but they have them in stock and I am getting very close to needing one. I have had the rear PR3 for some time, just waiting for the front to arrive.

BTW, I have gone thru 3 Battlewing rears and all were the E version and my results are:

Original 5900 miles
1st replacement 7360
2nd replacement 5950

The 7360 one included a 4500 mile trip to Colorado with my son this past June. even though the temps were over 100 for several of the days, we did 95% of those miles on good back roads and so the speeds were normally below 70-75 mph and that seems to have helped. Living in IL where most fo the roads are straight and boring and I live close to the interstate, I tend to square off the rear tires and still have plenty of depth on the edges.

Here is the link to the ebay vendor that Bob sent me, in case anyone needs a front PR3 now. They show that they have 2 of them left in stock.

http://tinyurl.com/atqux5p
 

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Please, disregard my previous post. That was very embarrassing brain fart. I did not realize , that front ones are the same tire. Just ordered one. Thanks
 

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As said, only the rears are different, though some sites will show our size only under the Trail link. IIRC, PR3 Trails were only offered in our sizes.

Yes Red Cat, it's a street tire in our sizes. I like going with a more mixed tire, but the last tire saw mostly street riding. I need to see what longevity is on the PR3s for me, my loads and my riding style to help determine if it's a potential tire choice for a little 11 day ride next year that will be mostly street riding. I figure I either need a rear tire that consistently gets me 12k+, or I need to plan on a tire swap and stage a tire somewhere prior to heading out for the ride.
 

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This is really turning into a nice thread, thanks guys!

I am watching this. I too really am interested in a rear that I can count on for 10K+ miles. I am almost sold on the K60's but since I ride street, I don't know if the I'd want the noise & vibes unless it's my only option to meet the goal.

I am not a lightweight at 270# and I don't ride "easy". I do check tire pressures very regularly. I am amazed at how some can get more than twice the mileage I got on my stockers.
 

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advd said:
I am watching this. I too really am interested in a rear that I can count on for 10K+ miles. I am almost sold on the K60's but since I ride street, I don't know if the I'd want the noise & vibes unless it's my only option to meet the goal.

I am not a lightweight at 270# and I don't ride "easy". I do check tire pressures very regularly. I am amazed at how some can get more than twice the mileage I got on my stockers.
I'm 250# w/o gear. Here's combo I would suggest, and may try myself; Avon Azaro front, Avon Storm2 rear. Those tires are not offered in both our sizes, but that mix will work very well and both are good tires for the PacNorWet region. I've run them both as matched sets on my previous FJR and you will like the traction and excellent wet to dry transition behavior. Very little change from dry to wet traction and handling, no scary moments. Your riding style might still wear the rear in under 10k, but for me it was a solid 10k+ tire on the slightly heavier FJR fully loaded in rally trim with fuel cell, etc. They are usually available at decent prices too.
 

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I really have no idea how y'all keep your tires good for the distances that you state .... if I do out and out road work my tires just plain flatten off. To me a tire is horrid once the squaring represents >25-30% of the width. I should add that I notice that because I'm always splitting traffic and end up in the overbanding areas most of the time. On the open freeway it's not as noticeable until I start hooning around in corners then i don't like it much again. :-\
 

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Swagger said:
I really have no idea how y'all keep your tires good for the distances that you state .... if I do out and out road work my tires just plain flatten off. To me a tire is horrid once the squaring represents >25-30% of the width. I should add that I notice that because I'm always splitting traffic and end up in the overbanding areas most of the time. On the open freeway it's not as noticeable until I start hooning around in corners then i don't like it much again. :-\
Perhaps it will help to understand that I run my tires to the wear bars. Sounds like you're a delicate little flower that is bothered by some minor changes in handling. ;) Big tough Spec Ops guy like you should be able to handle some minor extra bar pressure to engage and maintain turns.

Seriously though, are you pulling the tires off before they are at the wear bars? I don't always get enough twisties to wear them evenly. Usually I will have a squared off tire for a while, but it doesn't bother me. I recognize it's not the same handling as a fresh tire, but it doesn't slow me down any. Granted, I'm a tad more experienced than most with squared off tires, having run a car tire on the FJR for ~70k miles.

The single main component of tire wear is the right wrist. The more aggressive you are, the shorter your tread life will be. The guys getting longer tread life may or may not be slower travelers than the more aggresive riders, but almost always they are significantly smoother riders, especially with regards to throttle use.
 

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EricV said:
... Sounds like you're a delicate little flower ....
I kiiiiill you .... GRRRRRR

EricV said:
... Seriously though, are you pulling the tires off before they are at the wear bars?

No I just plain wear out the centres ... admittedly I am heavy handed and yes I do throw the bike at its work. Normally replace at 2mm thats when I consider that the profile is shot. The legal limit is 1mm but I heard of riders being cautioned and/or fined for that. I've looked at my spend profile on tires and it's scarey. With the exception of the Tenere my bikes have the power and fortitude to destroy tires in short order ... I only got 2000 miles out of them for my MT-01, R1 and ZZR1400. The FJR managed 6000 but was just awful at that point. Got 5000 on a Pan European. So on and so forth. It's true that I treat every ride as if it were my last ::) :)
Must learn to mellow a little .... naaargh rag it and keep it pinned ::015::
 

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For pure street use +1 on the ME880's. I haven't used one on the Tenere but on my old Yamaha GTS1000, the ME880 rear was the only tire I could ever get over 7000 miles on with the bike. Everything else, and I tried quite a few, lasted well under 5000.
 

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@Swagger - Yep, keep it pinned, it's giving you that silly smile inside your helmet and that's a pretty good thing! Tire costs suck, but we all find that trade off somewhere.

On the ME880 tires, keep in mind that there are Bias ply versions and Radial versions. For me, the Radials didn't last any longer than other Sport-Touring rubber I tried and the wear patterns were horrible with the front cupping and getting a tri-bar pattern with a flat in the middle. Worst I've experienced, even worse than the RoadSmart fronts. Traction on the ME880s was compromised in the wet too.

My all time favorite tires were the Avon Azaro, until they discontinued them in the FJR's sizes.
 

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My vote goes for the K60's.. I've got about 7k on my set right now and the Rear will definitely last 10k miles...

They're awesome on road and off.. even if you don't plan on doing much off roading then it’s still a great tire for the longevity.
 
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