Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 91 37.0%
  • no

    Votes: 24 9.8%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 21 8.5%
  • heck no

    Votes: 30 12.2%
  • BTDT - Got the shot

    Votes: 80 32.5%

  • Total voters
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Checkswrecks

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The issue for some time now has not been the number of deaths, it's been the recognition of how much long term damage COVID does to a high percentage of people who catch it. Recent example:

Even if you don't get sick and want to continue to think this is a "travesty" you're going to pay for these people for a long time with the increased health care costs to the NIH, and the more who get it the more you are going to pay.
 

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In the US Covid is much higher than pneumonia this year:

Everybody is masked and distanced, which would also cut the regular bugs.

But I still got a common head cold from my grand daughter now that she's going to a day care most mornings.
:rolleyes:
 

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True. I also wonder how many cases of pneumonia are really complications of covid, so get classified as such?
 

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Recorded covid deaths worldwide are 2.3m over the last 12 months and annual flu deaths estimated at 650k. However if 92% of the deaths recorded as covid have severe or chronic underlying causes (as in the UK), then 184k deaths worldwide from covid is more realistic - far fewer than deaths from influenza. But we haven’t in the past shut down entire economies for winter flu. What annoys me is the opportunity cost of the disproportionate response to covid. We could have had wonderful health and social infrastructure for the £350 billion we’ve spent on lockdowns and financial support in the UK. And there is no incontrovertible proof that lockdowns have prevented any deaths or infections.
 

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Personal opinion: Lockdowns are worthless. Places with them, don't seem to be better off than those without. Masks, social distancing, and washing your damn hands do more for prevention than the lockdowns.
 

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Just read an article put out by Yahoo news. They are saying that the WHO has completed it's investigation, and concluded that covid did NOT come from the facility in Wuhan China. They advise that it came from bats, but can not explain the jump to humans.

Personal opinion: Bull shit. I'm willing to accept that it was unintentional (maybe). I read Stephen King's The Stand decades ago. Basically the same plot, but starting with the CDC, with similar results.
 

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My friend's mother died on Thursday. She caught covid from her partner who had unknowingly been exposed and had negligible symptoms. My friend was asked to come in as they were turning everything off due to her organs shutting down. She described the ward as "horrific, more like a morgue". Her mum was a a lovely woman. May she RIP.
 

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Just read an article put out by Yahoo news. They are saying that the WHO has completed it's investigation, and concluded that covid did NOT come from the facility in Wuhan China. They advise that it came from bats, but can not explain the jump to humans.

Personal opinion: Bull shit. I'm willing to accept that it was unintentional (maybe). I read Stephen King's The Stand decades ago. Basically the same plot, but starting with the CDC, with similar results.
I expected this outcome. WHO can't implicate China without implicating themselves. What's needed is a third party investigation but it'll never happen and any incriminating evidence is gone. I don't believe the virus was engineered (the genome doesn't display any know manipulation markers according to what I've read) or deliberately released. I believe it was accidental followed by an elaborate cover up. The WHO review was too short considering China has had more than a year to perfect their story.

Regarding a bat being the source. Pelosi denies any involvement...
 

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. . . . I don't believe the virus was engineered (the genome doesn't display any know manipulation markers according to what I've read) or deliberately released. . . .
Once again, it's hard to tell what articles are right. . . . if any. . . . but, I read that it was engineered, because none of it existed in nature. Nobody's going to claim/admit that it was released on purpose, but if not for covid, our political landscape would be completely different.
 

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. . . none of it existed in nature. . . .
Wrong and missing the 64 dollar question.

COVID SARS-CoV-2 is the SEVENTH coronavirus known to infect humans and the third to cause severe disease. Further, coronaviruses are known to have have been around for hundreds of years, largely staying in animals. The problem is that with more population density we have more opportunities for transmission to humans. Even then two of the four main types only create relatively mild respiratory and stomach symptoms. This time the odds caught up with us.

As WJBertrand mentioned AND which is the same as I've heard from my daughter for nearly a year, the analysis of the genome in both the US and EU have found NONE of the multiple potential markers of a lab origin. For example, from the following Nature article of 17 March 2020 when the outside world did not yet have much data from the Chinese and we in the west were doing our own lab investigations:

"...Thus, the high-affinity binding of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to human ACE2 is most likely the result of natural selection on a human or human-like ACE2 that permits another optimal binding solution to arise. This is strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not the product of purposeful manipulation."
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"It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone.
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It would have been politically great when this was written to be able to blame the Chinese for creation of the virus.

The WHO group just came to the same conclusion now, 11 months later. The little piece that the new WHO report adds are new possible sources before the wet market in Wuhan became the super spreader launch point. What the WHO omits, obviously to not rock the boat politically, is how the Chinese initially did a cover-up till the doctor posted publicly what was going on before dying of it. Since the Chinese had successfully done the same with the SARS coronavirus, bird flu and swine flu, it's easy to guess that they pulled out the same playbook not realizing how much worse the DNA of this virus would be. And we all know the old bit that "assume" makes an ASS out of U and of ME so yes, they bit the world in the ass, compounded in the US by an incredibly inept response.

But the important thing to me is now that we can see a light at the end of this tunnel, WTF are we the US and we the world going to do to prevent the next one?
After all and regardless of where they began, there was the Russian Flu, Avian Flu exploded in Europe, Swine Flu in Spain then again a couple of times in different places, HIV in Africa till the US became the super spreader, etc. There WILL be another and with increasing population density we need a plan fast, because the US monitors were pulled out of China, one of the main watchdog groups in the US Govt were disbanded, and the EU budget is falling apart.
 

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Checkswrecks, thanks all to my understanding as well and I speak the language having an undergrad degree in molecular biology. One small correction; The covid - 19 virus is an RNA virus containing no DNA.


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Once again, it's hard to tell what articles are right. . . . if any. . . . but, I read that it was engineered, because none of it existed in nature. Nobody's going to claim/admit that it was released on purpose, but if not for covid, our political landscape would be completely different.
Nope.


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I have taken the Pfizer MRNA vaccine in January. Both the doses which are 21 days apart. My mom was vaccinated today with the Chinese Sinopharm Vaccine. More than 100,000 vaccinations are given everyday in UAE. Haven't heard anyone have any issues with it.

We have the Russian vaccine for special volunteers as well and soon we will get a chance to take the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

I am lucky to have received the vaccine as I am currently helping out my wife who is down with Covid. She is quarantined in our room but luckily she only has a bad cough and body pain. She hesitated when she got the chance to get vaccinated and now she got the Covid from an office colleague. Her colleague was diagnosed 8 days ago and It took 7 to 8 days after that for the virus to make her sick. No other contact with any other positive case.

If anyone has the chance to receive the vaccine, please dont hesitate. The vaccine might make you ill as everyone's body is different but you doctor can advise you on how to easily manage the side effects.. You may still get the Covid even after vaccination but the severity of the symptoms will be low and not life threatening. You can also be a carrier so you need to wear masks all the time.

There are talks that the vaccine might be needed every year for a few years till we defeat Covid and get some other pandemic causing disease. :)
 

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I am lucky to have received the vaccine as I am currently helping out my wife who is down with Covid. She is quarantined in our room but luckily she only has a bad cough and body pain. She hesitated when she got the chance to get vaccinated and now she got the Covid from an office colleague. Her colleague was diagnosed 8 days ago and It took 7 to 8 days after that for the virus to make her sick. No other contact with any other positive case.
Best wishes to your wife for a speedy recovery.
 
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