nd4spdbh
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Did you still have those older installers? (working on some economy changes that might need those tables)
Tuning with the Power Vision 3
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Did you still have those older installers? (working on some economy changes that might need those tables)
Yes, I have an installer file for the earlier version that I used to tune my bike.
hello , i know it s a stupid question , but this pv3 it's work on the eu bike's ? i read everything hulkss says and "it s still hope" to run this bike with out stress , i thing few weeks before find this tips , to sell the bike , because deceleration fuel cut it s nightmare for me and i don t fell the bike proper , another details it s fuel consumtion , every mod i ride , with low speed , max 120km/h i dont' able to rich 300km per tank , at 270km , the fuel reserv it s on ....i want to buy this pv3 to try to make better bike , sorry for my english 
Yes, the PV3 will work on a Gen II EU bike. To be sure, confirm with Dynojet when you place your order.
thank you , the only man , i think in my opionion you are the gandalf on the ST , thank you for your work and thank you shared with us , the middle men ho loves this tank , many thank's , i will replay on your post after i buy this toy , THANK you
, thank you for your work and thank you shared with us , the middle men ho loves this tank , many thank's , i will replay on your post after i buy this toy , THANK youand have one more question , this toy will work , for another bike ? another model for exemple , it cost some money for my income , but i think in the future i will be able to make another bike feel smooth and better , please tell me , somebody , many thank's in advice !!!
There must be something wrong with your bike....hello , i know it s a stupid question , but this pv3 it's work on the eu bike's ? i read everything hulkss says and "it s still hope" to run this bike with out stress , i thing few weeks before find this tips , to sell the bike , because deceleration fuel cut it s nightmare for me and i don t fell the bike proper , another details it s fuel consumtion , every mod i ride , with low speed , max 120km/h i dont' able to rich 300km per tank , at 270km , the fuel reserv it s on ....i want to buy this pv3 to try to make better bike , sorry for my english
I can make easily 400 km out a fuel tank with Italian fuel...
that s the reason i wanna try this toy and another sparkplug , iridium , maybe some error , this one read and erase all you need , i will place the order and when i make this flash i will come back here to make a review , thank you all for all info !!!
siroco
Member
I don't know if it's still worth continuing this thread, maybe they've already sold their super tenere.
These days I have been having fun playing with the PV3 data logger tool.
I have come to the conclusion that, at least in my case, the erratic feel that I perceive at very low rpm has nothing to do with AFR FACTOR ALFA N, but with AFR FACTOR SPEED DENSITY.
The question is, is it safe for the machine to reduce the AFR N SPEED DENSITY factor in the corresponding table, in which all values are set to 1,
For example, modifying that factor from 1 to 0.75 in the rpm/mmHg range that makes me uncomfortable. I understand that this would enrich the mixture when the bike is in closed loop in speed density control mode.
This would only be useful if the cause of the hiccups is actually a very lean AFR.
Another thing that occurs to me is that the adjustment of the synchronization of the throttle bodies is unbalanced, since we only have one MAP sensor for the two bodies and two screws to adjust. There is work to do here too.
I hope this is not a stupid approach, if so I apologize for my ignorance.
Here are some pics on the data logs that made me think all isaid above.
The log was recorded on flat surface at low speeds from first to third gear around 2000rpm, all the time un closed loop (adaptive learning) but as you can see, the bike is only in bias alpha N control loop when accelerating and in bias speed density control loop when sailing (without load) and I notice the jerking occurs when sailing, so shouldn't I be working on the speed density tables?
Thanks for your patience.
These days I have been having fun playing with the PV3 data logger tool.
I have come to the conclusion that, at least in my case, the erratic feel that I perceive at very low rpm has nothing to do with AFR FACTOR ALFA N, but with AFR FACTOR SPEED DENSITY.
The question is, is it safe for the machine to reduce the AFR N SPEED DENSITY factor in the corresponding table, in which all values are set to 1,
For example, modifying that factor from 1 to 0.75 in the rpm/mmHg range that makes me uncomfortable. I understand that this would enrich the mixture when the bike is in closed loop in speed density control mode.
This would only be useful if the cause of the hiccups is actually a very lean AFR.
Another thing that occurs to me is that the adjustment of the synchronization of the throttle bodies is unbalanced, since we only have one MAP sensor for the two bodies and two screws to adjust. There is work to do here too.
I hope this is not a stupid approach, if so I apologize for my ignorance.
Here are some pics on the data logs that made me think all isaid above.
The log was recorded on flat surface at low speeds from first to third gear around 2000rpm, all the time un closed loop (adaptive learning) but as you can see, the bike is only in bias alpha N control loop when accelerating and in bias speed density control loop when sailing (without load) and I notice the jerking occurs when sailing, so shouldn't I be working on the speed density tables?
Thanks for your patience.
hi I am very interested in mapping my S10 what cable do you use from pc to bike? Sorry if I missed something, many thanks
siroco
Member
You need the Power Vision 3 console as an interface.
First you use the software Power Core in your computer, then have to connect the Power Vision to your PC USB port and copy de file .djt.
Then yo disconnect the power vision from your PC ad connect to your bike OBD port to load the .djt file and write the ECU with that .djt file
siroco
Member
Ojo, es muy fácil quemar la ECU, la batería de la moto debe estar en buen estado y cargada, aunque tengas cargador conéctalo durante el flasheo.
Tenforeplay
Active Member
Interesting thread, thanks for all the information. I did some work with the old Accel stuff on a V8 so am familiar with the efi stuff and frustration.
I looked at the Dynojet website. For the PV3, they have two models. The PV3-22-16 which they have in stock, the PV3-2216C which is out of stock. I could not discern the difference. Also mine is a '23 yr model, I am assuming the '20 model PV3 will work with that?
Could you clarify some of this? Thank you. I think there is some room for improvement in the off idle/decel snatch and jerk affair going on here.
And to add, yrs ago I ran across a white paper on a/f ratios and the effect on piston top burn through, they discovered under heavy load they could make full power at something like 13.2 a/f ratio or whatever it is, I don't remember exactly, but there was the problem of holeing a piston, and richer would make the time to burn through longer. The reason for the less than powerful 12.6 a/f ratio they use, though I always thought 12.8 was used quite a bit and never saw the 12.6 before, at that time. All depends on the time at wide open throttle.
And to add to the add, I'm guessing any old windows computer will work or are there requirements for it, I'm a mac user. Used to be the Accel stuff only plugged into certain older windows computers because of the plug they used.
I looked at the Dynojet website. For the PV3, they have two models. The PV3-22-16 which they have in stock, the PV3-2216C which is out of stock. I could not discern the difference. Also mine is a '23 yr model, I am assuming the '20 model PV3 will work with that?
Could you clarify some of this? Thank you. I think there is some room for improvement in the off idle/decel snatch and jerk affair going on here.
And to add, yrs ago I ran across a white paper on a/f ratios and the effect on piston top burn through, they discovered under heavy load they could make full power at something like 13.2 a/f ratio or whatever it is, I don't remember exactly, but there was the problem of holeing a piston, and richer would make the time to burn through longer. The reason for the less than powerful 12.6 a/f ratio they use, though I always thought 12.8 was used quite a bit and never saw the 12.6 before, at that time. All depends on the time at wide open throttle.
And to add to the add, I'm guessing any old windows computer will work or are there requirements for it, I'm a mac user. Used to be the Accel stuff only plugged into certain older windows computers because of the plug they used.
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siroco
Member
I don't really know the difference, I use a PV3, I suppose some will have more access restrictions than others. The PV3 allows you to make many changes to the bike, I am a Hulks apprentice but I can say that to know well what is happening in your ECU it is better to make one change and test, another change and test, so on.
In my case it was enough for me to change the mapping of the ride by wire section and I did not need to modify the AFR. I have solved the jerks on the bike by reducing the engine braking and improving the relationship between TPS and rpm for each gear, this is done in the ride by wire section, Hulks has a very good map, but it is so elaborate that I didn't know what it meant.
There's a saying for that, "I couldn't see the forest through the trees." It had really worked in my case, so I tried the modifications one by one; In the end I am left with only the modified ride by wire and everything else is stock.
In my case it was enough for me to change the mapping of the ride by wire section and I did not need to modify the AFR. I have solved the jerks on the bike by reducing the engine braking and improving the relationship between TPS and rpm for each gear, this is done in the ride by wire section, Hulks has a very good map, but it is so elaborate that I didn't know what it meant.
There's a saying for that, "I couldn't see the forest through the trees." It had really worked in my case, so I tried the modifications one by one; In the end I am left with only the modified ride by wire and everything else is stock.
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siroco
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Im a WINDOWS user,, the Power Core software only runs in WINDOWS
oustad
New Member
M'y ecu is a european model, type 2BS 8591A 00.
Can i use à map designed for à différent ecu ?
Try the European tune I posted. If it does not work, you will have to copy/paste the tables into a tune file for your ECU.
oustad
New Member
I'll try this evening or tomorrow ( french time)
Thanks.
oustad
New Member
Well. I followed your advice, I copied into a file for my ECU, but not with your data, with a data of a spanich member, with an akrapovic exhaust. t works pretty well, very smoothly at low speed.
I'll try with your data next week ( I'll have plenty of time, I'll be of from work ).
Here is the file. My motorbike is supposed to be a 2017, but it's A dp04a06 TYPE, which seems to be a 2016 model, with an akrapovic exhaust. The ECU file is 2216001 and the ECU model is a 2BS-8591A-00
I'll try with your data next week ( I'll have plenty of time, I'll be of from work ).
Here is the file. My motorbike is supposed to be a 2017, but it's A dp04a06 TYPE, which seems to be a 2016 model, with an akrapovic exhaust. The ECU file is 2216001 and the ECU model is a 2BS-8591A-00