Cantab
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Had C19 , 54 and still happy to be unvaccinated , do what you think is right for you..
Agreed, it is. It also has its own thread some where elseThis chicken nugget shit is getting really old
You're lucky Wally saw it before me.View attachment 95920I might get banned
I think there is enough reliable information out there for people to know how the vaccines operate. But you can't get everyone to see things the same way. I was im a charity shop today and bought a book on fossils that was there. The lady said can I show you something, it was a piece of slate which had some kind of mineral in it. However it was not lying in line with the strata so looks to have arrived there after the piece was broken. So I was explaining how we find fossils in layers which are a few hundred million years old. If one fossil is found in the wrong place ( ie we know they evolved into something else or died out ) then the whole show goes out the window. This has never occurred. It's irrefutable. Fact. A couple of people in the shop looked at me as if I was completed mad mentioning " a few hundred million years " it simply does not matter how much evidence and facts you have for something people will believe what they want. Which is of course their god given right.I think that this is a good time to talk about it. The hard times are gone so we can speak quietly. Moderators, please don't shut the thread.
I am a biologist and my specialty is the biochemistry and the molecular biology. Please take no offense, but I think that there is a lack of basic knowledge about how human life and life in general works and in particular lack of understanding on how immunology works. Again please no offense. I am a complete ignorant myself about so many things. Nobody can know everything about everything and nobody is born knowing. Let's go to the point.
Vaccine and transmission. All vaccines are meant to avoid or diminish the disease, not the transmission. This is what a vaccine is by definition. There is a concept: time of response that I think it is crucial to understand this. When you come across with a virus, a virus that is completely new to your body, you have a long time of response. Along this time you can eventually die or develop a grave disease. However, your body keeps a memory of that virus and for the second time is ready to react quickly. Short time of response. You kill the viruses fast and you get a light disease or you don't notice it at all. This is the aim of the vaccine, to decrease the time of response by exposing the human body to something similar to the virus with the hope of forcing the human body to develop a memory system against the virus, so that when the real virus comes, the body is ready to react against it. It's like training.
In a secondary effect, the vaccine decreases the number of free viruses in the environment and therefore the transmission. When the infection lasts two days, you release viruses to the air for two days, lasting two weeks, for two weeks, and lasting two months, for two months. The longer the infection lasts, the more viruses you will be expelling out. In an ideal scenario, with the 100% of the world population vaccinated, the number of viruses would be lesser and lesser until its eventual disappearance.
Long lasting vaccine. There are two ways to check how short or long lasting a vaccine is. One is measuring antibodies in blood. Two is measuring the memory system. What happens in nature is that the memory is long and the antibodies are short lasting. The body remembers the aggression and reacts quickly. How? by releasing antibodies into the blood. These antibodies have a short life and disappear soon hopefully after achieving the mission and kill the virus. Making a comparison with weapons, the memory is the pistol and the antibody is the bullet. The first time the virus came, it caught you with the bullets out of the pistol and by the time you got the bullets into the pistol, you were dead. The second time you are ready with the pistol plenty of bullets and you only need to shoot. Once you have shot the bullet is useless, same with the antibodies, either they reach the target (antigen) or they are useless and eliminated from the blood.
The right way to measure how lasting a vaccine is, is answering to these two questions. Has a memory system been created? How long does it last? The answer is yes, a memory system has been created and it lasts for long. The vaccine is effective.
Those who say that the vaccine isn't effective in the long term, they are measuring antibodies in blood and this is a wrong way to check it.
Getting Covid. As I said, the vaccine is not meant to prevent you from transmission and infection. You can get the virus anyway. In fact we get viruses and many other creatures often every day. We live with them. The vaccine helps you to answer to this infection in an effective quick way, increasing the chances of having no covid at all or a light version of the disease if any. Keeping you 100% certainty? No.
I know people who died. I know people with long term covid. I know lots of infected ones. I can't forget the images of an ice skating facility in Madrid plenty of coffins awaiting to be buried.
Inmunology is much more complicated than this. This is just for basic explanations only.
Well put, and as I have a very similar background to yours, I agree with your statements.I think that this is a good time to talk about it. The hard times are gone so we can speak quietly. Moderators, please don't shut the thread.
I am a biologist and my specialty is the biochemistry and the molecular biology. Please take no offense, but I think that there is a lack of basic knowledge about how human life and life in general works and in particular lack of understanding on how immunology works. Again please no offense. I am a complete ignorant myself about so many things. Nobody can know everything about everything and nobody is born knowing. Let's go to the point.
Vaccine and transmission. All vaccines are meant to avoid or diminish the disease, not the transmission. This is what a vaccine is by definition. There is a concept: time of response that I think it is crucial to understand this. When you come across with a virus, a virus that is completely new to your body, you have a long time of response. Along this time you can eventually die or develop a grave disease. However, your body keeps a memory of that virus and for the second time is ready to react quickly. Short time of response. You kill the viruses fast and you get a light disease or you don't notice it at all. This is the aim of the vaccine, to decrease the time of response by exposing the human body to something similar to the virus with the hope of forcing the human body to develop a memory system against the virus, so that when the real virus comes, the body is ready to react against it. It's like training.
In a secondary effect, the vaccine decreases the number of free viruses in the environment and therefore the transmission. When the infection lasts two days, you release viruses to the air for two days, lasting two weeks, for two weeks, and lasting two months, for two months. The longer the infection lasts, the more viruses you will be expelling out. In an ideal scenario, with the 100% of the world population vaccinated, the number of viruses would be lesser and lesser until its eventual disappearance.
Long lasting vaccine. There are two ways to check how short or long lasting a vaccine is. One is measuring antibodies in blood. Two is measuring the memory system. What happens in nature is that the memory is long and the antibodies are short lasting. The body remembers the aggression and reacts quickly. How? by releasing antibodies into the blood. These antibodies have a short life and disappear soon hopefully after achieving the mission and kill the virus. Making a comparison with weapons, the memory is the pistol and the antibody is the bullet. The first time the virus came, it caught you with the bullets out of the pistol and by the time you got the bullets into the pistol, you were dead. The second time you are ready with the pistol plenty of bullets and you only need to shoot. Once you have shot the bullet is useless, same with the antibodies, either they reach the target (antigen) or they are useless and eliminated from the blood.
The right way to measure how lasting a vaccine is, is answering to these two questions. Has a memory system been created? How long does it last? The answer is yes, a memory system has been created and it lasts for long. The vaccine is effective.
Those who say that the vaccine isn't effective in the long term, they are measuring antibodies in blood and this is a wrong way to check it.
Getting Covid. As I said, the vaccine is not meant to prevent you from transmission and infection. You can get the virus anyway. In fact we get viruses and many other creatures often every day. We live with them. The vaccine helps you to answer to this infection in an effective quick way, increasing the chances of having no covid at all or a light version of the disease if any. Keeping you 100% certainty? No.
I know people who died. I know people with long term covid. I know lots of infected ones. I can't forget the images of an ice skating facility in Madrid plenty of coffins awaiting to be buried.
Inmunology is much more complicated than this. This is just for basic explanations only.
The current number of shots given is 12.7 BILLion.My sister got the vaccine and died "Suddenly" two weeks later. She is unavailable for comment.
Very sorry for your loss.My sister got the vaccine and died "Suddenly" two weeks later. She is unavailable for comment.
Well putWe know... When speaking for myself i wanted to express my condolences because i truly feel that way and it shows my respect to you.