thughes317
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Off-season for most of us, need something to keep our minds off the fact that we can't get out in the wind right now.
Is this political? I don’t know - POLL ADDED
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PhilPhilippines
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If the media established that the Capitol mob was part Antifa, then it stands to reason that part of the BLM mob must have been Good Ol' Boys - I'm assuming the method of "knowing" was the way their shoelaces were tied???
To me. . . . good 'ol boy has always stood for corrupt law enforcement or city government; ie. good ol' boy system. But, it can also be term of endearment for an honestly good, down to earth person. The blm mob are neither of those.
PhilPhilippines
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I see it somewhat differently.
The majority of the BLM were protesters not rioters and looters. Most BLM are moderate socialists. Most feel that all lives matter.
The majority of the Capitol crowd were protestors not rioters and looters. Most Republicans are moderate conservatives. Most feel that black lives matter.
Most tied their shoelaces properly.
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MattR
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From the outside it appears that the BLM movement is fighting to stop black people being shot by the police. I’ve no idea what good old boys are fighting for
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PhilPhilippines
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Gay rights I think...
Spend some time on the official BLM website and you'll see their "movement" is about WAY more than police shootings. Spend some time listening to Rush Limbaugh and you'll hear what the vast majority of conservative Americans stand for. Then understand that there are millions of other people living here.
Longdog Cymru
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I believe that you now have a gentleman named Joe Biden who will do just that. Obama tried and did a lot, the so called Obama Care for one but Trump destroyed that. Sadly, the USA has been set back a long way in the eyes of the World by Trump’s term in the White House and his legacy may be that he was the first President to be impeached twice. Many Republicans are finally seeing him for what he really is and turning their backs on him. It is just sad that it has taken them so long to find the courage to do this.
MattR
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So the shooting of black people by police is not a major factor for BLM?
Also, from outside it appeared as though Trump dismissed the BLM movement in preference to the White Supremacy movement. Is this the reason that so many more black votes were mobilised against him in Georgia and elsewhere?
If so, isn’t this a classic example of democracy in action? (You vote against the person you feel is against you?)
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Also, from outside it appeared as though Trump dismissed the BLM movement in preference to the White Supremacy movement. Is this the reason that so many more black votes were mobilised against him in Georgia and elsewhere?
If so, isn’t this a classic example of democracy in action? (You vote against the person you feel is against you?)
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PhilPhilippines
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Agreed.
Every person I know who supported BLM were outraged about the killing of George Floyd and not in the least interested in supporting the political leanings - in fact, most people were not even aware that it was a political movement, myself included, until it was pointed out.
That said, I do not have the energy to waste hating people unnecessarily and find it confoundingly amusing that people do. Invariably 90-95% of people are generally level-headed, reasonable and easy to get along with. Look for the good. The 5% that are not should be allowed to speak freely so that we identify and avoid them.
The real problem we have these days is the continuous one upmanship by the media. Endeavouring to put one over on their counterparts.. The viewing public is subject to shovel load after shovel load of sensationalist drama, each ratcheting up on the former, until we get to the tipping point.
I think, like many, that the invasion was inevitable. I thought it would happen a week or so ago and am not surprised. I still feel it is the minority that are responsible though and they rev up the easily led.
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Madhatter
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MattR , the shooting of anyone by police is serious for all of us . the police have a job to do and in most of the cases (not all of course ) the person shot regardless of color was resisting the officer or officers . you cannot fight the police and expect a good outcome . and as far as violence goes it is a common thing the world over even in UK , y'all not even allowed to have knives (talk even of banning kitchen knives ) that people still get murdered by people who are not police . that any one of any color can be a bad person . I know hundreds of police that have not killed anyone , not even a black person . today somewhere some one will die odds are as a percentage of killings the death by cop is so low as almost not there , but death by friend or association is extremely high , as most are killed by someone they know. but when a police officer does act and a life is lost even in that event most of the time it is justified . if a person feels a police officer is wronging him get a lawyer let him fight the cops , don't let pride ruin your life, or have it taken .
now I think police have to much power in so many areas , the military has stronger rules of engagement than a police officer . had a person shot in Austin not long ago , didn't have a weapon but was shot anyway . he didn't follow orders the police gave him . so he got shot ..... you didnt hear about it ? oh that's because he wasn't black.
a police officer friend of mine told me in every department there is a percentage of bad apples , they know they are there but it takes time and process to weed them out and then there are the police unions who protect them . in any group of people there is that to some point . at work we know who is a great worker and who is a slacker . the slackers just do enough to keep their jobs . why would this be different anywhere else even at a police force .
Checkswrecks , never said you were a democrat , just said you have biases like everyone else . and charts and graphs are cool but they don't always reflect reality in the real world . you can put a label on just about anything.
one man one vote , a great system of government , but a majority can oppress a minority with their vote. that can be a problem in a democracy . since a representative republic with a bill of rights to protect the people . since Americas dirty laundry is always on display for the world to see , how bad would our history be if not for the constitution ..... history lesson , Great Britain introduced slavery into the colonies .... left us with a big problem , this word Freedom . (now Great Britain had the sense to abolish slavery in their own nation before it tore them apart ) how it applies to a man (amazing how people then and now try and justify their position ) or as a slave be denied the same rights . freedom , what we all treasure , what is always under threat of being taken away .
that phrase we sometimes hear someone say "there aught be a law against that "should give anyone pause . chip chip chipping away at freedom.
MattR , England a known suppressor of people the world over for centuries , and a country full of its own problems today . part of the torrid history of this nation was because of mother England . and I suspect other places as well. no place has a perfect history , as no person has a perfect history . and no matter the color we all have our history especially how we treat one another . and we strive to improve or we should .
now I think police have to much power in so many areas , the military has stronger rules of engagement than a police officer . had a person shot in Austin not long ago , didn't have a weapon but was shot anyway . he didn't follow orders the police gave him . so he got shot ..... you didnt hear about it ? oh that's because he wasn't black.
a police officer friend of mine told me in every department there is a percentage of bad apples , they know they are there but it takes time and process to weed them out and then there are the police unions who protect them . in any group of people there is that to some point . at work we know who is a great worker and who is a slacker . the slackers just do enough to keep their jobs . why would this be different anywhere else even at a police force .
Checkswrecks , never said you were a democrat , just said you have biases like everyone else . and charts and graphs are cool but they don't always reflect reality in the real world . you can put a label on just about anything.
one man one vote , a great system of government , but a majority can oppress a minority with their vote. that can be a problem in a democracy . since a representative republic with a bill of rights to protect the people . since Americas dirty laundry is always on display for the world to see , how bad would our history be if not for the constitution ..... history lesson , Great Britain introduced slavery into the colonies .... left us with a big problem , this word Freedom . (now Great Britain had the sense to abolish slavery in their own nation before it tore them apart ) how it applies to a man (amazing how people then and now try and justify their position ) or as a slave be denied the same rights . freedom , what we all treasure , what is always under threat of being taken away .
that phrase we sometimes hear someone say "there aught be a law against that "should give anyone pause . chip chip chipping away at freedom.
MattR , England a known suppressor of people the world over for centuries , and a country full of its own problems today . part of the torrid history of this nation was because of mother England . and I suspect other places as well. no place has a perfect history , as no person has a perfect history . and no matter the color we all have our history especially how we treat one another . and we strive to improve or we should .
Longdog Cymru
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Mad hatter, I think I speak for the majority of decent, right-minded British people when I say that we are all too aware of atrocities done by the British in the past. Without trying to shift the blame, because you simply can’t, I don’t think there is any country, or perhaps any developed country, who can say, hand on heart, that they have not exploited or oppressed others at some point in their history. I can say that as a Welshman and I am sure there are Irish and Scottish people who will say the same as we were exploited and oppressed by the English, which is pretty close to home and people have long memories. I believe that it is for this reason that we are all the more horrified when we see man turning against man, irrespective of colour, cred or religion, and people being incited and exploited by their President in order for him to cling onto power. Your country and mine are both countries of immigrants and we should be welcoming these people who simply want the same things as us. Look around at the people who we call immigrants and looks at the positive benefits that they have brought with them and look at the reasons they left their homelands in the first place.
PhilPhilippines
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In the UK I went used to date women of diverse backgrounds, mainly black and Asian Indian. In all my years of dating I never had a remark made to anyone. One relationship with a black girl lasted for 12 years and in that time nothing derogatory was ever said. I went to reggae sound system dances and nobody batted an eyelid. I also travelled far and wide and had many white black and Asian friends - never a second glance. Only once, in Barcelona, did we get shouted at by a labourer (impressing his workmates?) in the street, and that may be because she was dressed to impress.
I'm wondering if anyone can give me a clear idea. What is the experience in the US? Are mixed relationships noticed?
I'm wondering if anyone can give me a clear idea. What is the experience in the US? Are mixed relationships noticed?
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MattR
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Oh Britannia really did rule the waves in colonial times and the sun would never set on the British colonies. But the way we did it was inhuman, cruel and horrific and it’s not something we’re proud of either. That’s why the BLM was particularly relevant here with statues of so called heroes such as Edward Coulson being torn down and we discovered to our shame that he earned his fortune from slavery. Not a part of history that I was taught in school. But how it must have riled any black person on their way to work in Bristol every day to have that statue staring down on them. Well it’s gone now and good riddance!
But to return to the US shooting by police, (and I only get to see uk media) it appears that some of them were shot in the back having presented no danger to the officer or anyone else. The kneeling in the neck example was on a man who was already on the floor with handcuffs behind his back. What possible reason was there for kneeling on his neck? A UK police officer did something similar recently and has been sacked quite rightly.
I presume that an equal number of white people carry phones as black people and that interactions with the police are recorded in the same way? So why are we not seeing white kids shot in the streets by police as well?
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But to return to the US shooting by police, (and I only get to see uk media) it appears that some of them were shot in the back having presented no danger to the officer or anyone else. The kneeling in the neck example was on a man who was already on the floor with handcuffs behind his back. What possible reason was there for kneeling on his neck? A UK police officer did something similar recently and has been sacked quite rightly.
I presume that an equal number of white people carry phones as black people and that interactions with the police are recorded in the same way? So why are we not seeing white kids shot in the streets by police as well?
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If Trump was put in place to educate us as to what was going on, it wasn't the best salesman to use. I'm sorry but using a businessman that failed so many times and
that cannot get a casino to win is not gonna cut it. Oh and, 'scuse my ignorance but, ''how did build the wall'' figure in all of this? As this was HUGE...
However, much of what is stated about the Rothchilds is on point.
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