pkrwd
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can anybody give their input on which model to buy and why , between the std. or es super ten. looking at the 2017.
which model ?
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pkrwd
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been looking at super ten. and undecided on which model to get.... HELP????
Nikolajsen
"Keep it simple"
Hard to tell with the given information
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Well, if money is not an issue, get the ES.
.Well, if money is not an issue, get the ES.
Talltourer
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Currently shopping myself... here are my notes so far. Mind you I will ride 99% road other than the gravel road I may need to ride on because GPS went wrong somewhere. I'm 6'4", 275-ish lbs + gear. I dont bring ton of luggage unless I go for 2-3 day rides. I'm an hotel rider so I can pack rather light. Even then, a lil more preload would be enough for the extra luggage and that's it. The Tenere ticks alot of boxes for me due to the room I have on it and being able to ride standing up if I want to once I get risers on to ease the butt pain after a couple hours. This is why i'm looking into it VS the FJR/C14.
ES model.
-has easier adjustment when you switch from road to gravel to 2-up to luggage or not.
-has OEM heated grips.
Non-ES model
-stiffer rear shock spring in the rear shock apparently,
Otherwise they are the same from what I found so far...
Heated grips is a non-issue since it's easily added. I'm slowly starting to lean on the non-ES part since it'll be a set and forget thing for me. Cheaper to rebuilt/revalve down the line also. I've also found some very good deals on new 2017 non-ES left-overs around here also, leaving some money on the table for farkles and extras like the front winglets that are a must and things like that.
If I was doing more gravel/off-road, i'd lean toward the ES to be able to switch easier between "setups".
Hope that helps.
ES model.
-has easier adjustment when you switch from road to gravel to 2-up to luggage or not.
-has OEM heated grips.
Non-ES model
-stiffer rear shock spring in the rear shock apparently,
Otherwise they are the same from what I found so far...
Heated grips is a non-issue since it's easily added. I'm slowly starting to lean on the non-ES part since it'll be a set and forget thing for me. Cheaper to rebuilt/revalve down the line also. I've also found some very good deals on new 2017 non-ES left-overs around here also, leaving some money on the table for farkles and extras like the front winglets that are a must and things like that.
If I was doing more gravel/off-road, i'd lean toward the ES to be able to switch easier between "setups".
Hope that helps.
Nikolajsen
"Keep it simple"
Dobbel post..
We need more information.
New or used?
Do you have a fixed amount of money?
What do you plan on using it for? Pleasure? just transport? off road?
We need more information.
New or used?
Do you have a fixed amount of money?
What do you plan on using it for? Pleasure? just transport? off road?
He's right about a HUGE amount of variables. BUT....I....chose the ES for the heated grips and the ability to change the suspension settings on the fly. It's my bike, but my 100lb lighter son also likes to ride it. It's quick and easy for us to set it to our preferred settings. Also, our roads are not consistent. I can pick the setting that fits the changing roads. If, you are the only rider, your roads are all similar, and you only ride when its warm, save the money and get a standard. To ME, it was worth the extra cost. I have the '17 Cobalt Blue ES.
It's not necessarily pavement versus gravel that requires the adjustment. My roads range from smooth interstate concrete to back country pot holes and dips. I frequently have adjust the rebound/dampening on the fly. I'm 300lbs, and have a wife that likes to ride fast in the corners. Oh, and then there's my 180lb son that sometimes "steals" my bike. Quick/easy adjustment was high on my "must have" list. By the way, I HAD an FJR, and now my son HAS the FJR. I prefer the Tenere MUCH more than the FJR.
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Where are you? (US or??) How long do you plan to keep it? The ES suspension is pretty good. But if you're a bigger guy, 225+, you will probably want a heavier spring on the shock, even with the ES. Easier to change the suspension with the Std model, though not necessarily cheap.
It's about $220 USD to add factory heated grips to the Std model. (I did this). At 100k miles, I upgraded my suspension to the tune of about $3k. Ohlins 30mm kit in front and Touratech mid level shock in the rear. When I unexpectedly moved to a Gen II bike, I just swapped all that strait over. Because of that, I was glad to get a Std the second time around.
I guess I'm saying that if you plan on keeping and riding the miles, it might be better to get the Std and upgrade it yourself when you are ready, rather than buy the ES and accept the factory 'upgrades', knowning it will be significantly more costly to upgrade suspension later, if you maintain the ES functions.
It's about $220 USD to add factory heated grips to the Std model. (I did this). At 100k miles, I upgraded my suspension to the tune of about $3k. Ohlins 30mm kit in front and Touratech mid level shock in the rear. When I unexpectedly moved to a Gen II bike, I just swapped all that strait over. Because of that, I was glad to get a Std the second time around.
I guess I'm saying that if you plan on keeping and riding the miles, it might be better to get the Std and upgrade it yourself when you are ready, rather than buy the ES and accept the factory 'upgrades', knowning it will be significantly more costly to upgrade suspension later, if you maintain the ES functions.
If you can find a bargain priced non ES, get it and spend the money to set up the suspension exactly to suit you and your riding style. If you are constantly adding pillion and luggage, go the ES for ease of adjustability.
richarddacat
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When I was shopping I wasn't interested in the ES but I found two bikes, one in KY was the ES and one in MS that was non-ES. (Local dealers at the time didn't have any.) I emailed and talked with both dealers and bought the ES for the price of the non-ES.
Having owned it since June I really like it, soft and cushy on the interstate, firm it up when I hit the curvy back roads. Even in the soft mode it feels great on the curves but I only weigh 185 with gear on and I use a tail box, tank bag sometimes, no bags.
I can see a real benefit IF you're going to load it down and carry a passenger.
One thing I think that would be a great addition is to have the rear spring matched to my weight, that would be all I'd change.
My thinking on a non-ES model is that down the road around 20K a full suspension upgrade might be in order. I haven't looked at the longevity of the ES but I think with the adjustability it would last longer, for me.
Having owned it since June I really like it, soft and cushy on the interstate, firm it up when I hit the curvy back roads. Even in the soft mode it feels great on the curves but I only weigh 185 with gear on and I use a tail box, tank bag sometimes, no bags.
I can see a real benefit IF you're going to load it down and carry a passenger.
One thing I think that would be a great addition is to have the rear spring matched to my weight, that would be all I'd change.
My thinking on a non-ES model is that down the road around 20K a full suspension upgrade might be in order. I haven't looked at the longevity of the ES but I think with the adjustability it would last longer, for me.
pkrwd
New Member
it'll be a new s10,the extra cost is no issue for the es , mainly street and hwy. riding with little off road. I can get the std. for $15100 O.T.D hows that price sound?
Nikolajsen
"Keep it simple"
In this case, I would go with the ES model. (but I doubt that you will adjust much, after you find your preffered settings)
Sorry, can't advice on the price tag "over there"
Sorry, can't advice on the price tag "over there"
Longdog Cymru
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I spent a long time deliberating over whether to buy (an older) ES or a newer non-ES. In the end, it came down to the best bike I could find for the price and it turned out to be a non-ES model.
I would have bought an ES had I found the right bike, but I would have had the little nagging doubt about the reliability of the ES, having said that, I haven’t heard of any bad things happening to the ES even with considerably high miles. As far as the heated grips are concerned, I have just has a set of Oxford Adventure heated grips through the post this morning for just £49.95 from Sportsbike Shop in the U.K.
By the way, the non-ES 2nd. Gen bikes do have cruise control too.
Personally, I would set yourself a budget and buy the best bike you can based on condition, you will not be disappointed.
I would have bought an ES had I found the right bike, but I would have had the little nagging doubt about the reliability of the ES, having said that, I haven’t heard of any bad things happening to the ES even with considerably high miles. As far as the heated grips are concerned, I have just has a set of Oxford Adventure heated grips through the post this morning for just £49.95 from Sportsbike Shop in the U.K.
By the way, the non-ES 2nd. Gen bikes do have cruise control too.
Personally, I would set yourself a budget and buy the best bike you can based on condition, you will not be disappointed.
All Gen 2 models have cruise control, its baked into the ECU. Here in the US, non-ES models don't have the heated grips, but its easy enough to source the parts to do so (and cheaper to buy individually, than through the kit Yamaha offers).
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