Tire Wear Stats

markjenn

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I am getting ready to leave on a 4K trip and while I knew I probably should put new tires on, I decided to do some measurements to confirm.

Both my currently-mounted tires are 90-10 types, an OEM Tourance EXP on the front and a Bridgestone Battlewing on the back. Since I knew I'd need new tires either before or immediately after the trip, I went ahead and purchased new Battlewings so I was able to accurately measure the tread depth of the new tires.

Here are the tread depth measurements (done with a digital caliper tool):

New BW502 Front: 4.5 mm
New BW502 Rear: 8.25 mm
Worn Tourance EXP Front: 2.0 mm with 7300 miles
Worn BW502 Rear: 5.0 mm with 1900 miles

Assuming the front Tourance probably started out with about the same tread depth as the front Battlewing, you get the following tread wear rates:

Front: 2.5 mm in 7300 miles = .34 mm per 1K miles
Rear: 3.25 mm in 1900 miles = 1.7 mm per 1K miles

While I'm not surprised that the front wears more slowly, the fact its wear rate is only 20% of the rear is a bit surprising. And it illustrates why fronts don't go 5x as long; they have a lot less tread to start out with.

Assuming 1 mm as a minimum tread depth (this is typically where the wear bars are set at), you can extrapolate the following useful tire lifes:

Front: 3.5 mm / .34 = 10.3K miles
Rear: 7.25 mm / 1.7 = 4.3K miles

So it appears you can use a 2x front to a single rear strategy on the S10 successfully. Of the last few bikes I've owned, the S10 is the easiest on the front tire and makes this strategy pretty reasonable; on my FJR the front tire life was only slightly better than the rear and I usually replaced them in pairs.

Needless to say, even thought I hate changing tires before they are worn out, I'm changing them before I leave to avoid having to change a tire in the middle of nowhere.

As always, YMMV.

- Mark
 

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Good info, have a safe trip Mark!!! You can catch the next BBQ!!!
 

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I don't have exact measurements, but it sounds like my EXP's are wearing similar to Mark's findings. I'm right at 7K on the bike and the front looks like it could go another 5K with no issue whereas the rear is very near the wear bars.

Mine will be replaced next week with K60's for my Whitehorse run.

YMMV
 

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One thing I noticed, well at least I think I noticed, need to confirm, is that the initial tread depth of moto tires measures deeper prior to mounting and airing. At least, I think that is the explanation for a discrepancy another rider and I had on another forum and another tire.... but I never did confirm it.

Another thing, initial tread depths are not necessarily the same across brands. While I would expect tires in similar applications to be reasonably similar, I tried to check your assumption but neither Metzeler nor Bridgestone provide tread depth specs. Dunlop does however, and states that the Trailmax TR91 in our size (and they vary by tire size) is 7/32".

7/32 *25.4 = 5.56 mm This is significantly different from the new BW502, about 20%, and suggests that you can't safely assume that the Tourance EXP was the same as the BW.

As well, I have done similar exercises in the past and have found that tread wear is not always even through the life of the tire. Although I still make the same type of estimation as you did, I would avoid cutting it too close.
 

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No data, I have not measured.

I have 10k on the bike, mine came with Battle Wings. Replaced the rear with same, the OE was done, On the wear bars, center pretty slick. I have not measured tread depth, but the front is still on. Not sure I would leave on a 4k mile trip, but I am not changing it till after AMA Double Header at Road America, I'll have another 2 or 3 on by then.
 

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So you all are running the bias ply k60's tubeless correct? Is bias noticeably different than radials for this bike? Have to put something on for the 7000 mile Whitehorse trip
 

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Bridgestone has a bit of a reputation for typically having more "meat" on its tires when new, but wearing at a more rapid rate so you get about average mileage.

- Mark
 

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Bappo said:
So you all are running the bias ply k60's tubeless correct? Is bias noticeably different than radials for this bike? Have to put something on for the 7000 mile Whitehorse trip
Yup, K60 tubeless. Yes, they are different than radials, they're bias ply. Ha Ha couldn't resist. Dude, it's like dino vs synthetic oil. The K60 has a very stiff carcass and you will notice this when you mount them up if you do it yourself. Otherwise, they're a great 50/50 knobbie. Max psi off the sidewall is 36, FYI.

Put the damn things on and go ride your 7000 mile trip. When you get back enjoy the other couple thousand miles of life left in them.

I've gotten well over 10,000 miles of total miles on Heidenau K60 tires. My Super T has 2000 miles on them and I had over 9000 miles on my F800GS. The F8 did a 5 state dual sport adventure a couple years ago and the tires laughed the whole way.

Put 'em on and quit yer worryin'! ::021::
 

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I just replaced my OEM rear Battlewing. I got 11,589 miles out of it! I am notorious for being easy on tires..... O:) As most of my mileage is interstate commuting, I have little wear on the sides and a massive flat spot up the middle. I ran them down to the indicators.

Just mounted up a Heidenaeu K76. Gonna see how it does. It is a much less aggressive tire than the K60. Pretty similar to a Tourance or the Battlewing
 

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I replaced the BW502 rear tire at 8,624 miles and might have been able to get 9,000 miles. The replacement BW502 is -75% at 4,754 miles. I was hoping this set would last until I get to the Seattle area next month but I think i might have to install a set of K60's before I leave.
 

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maddog5150 said:
Just mounted up a Heidenaeu K76. Gonna see how it does. It is a much less aggressive tire than the K60. Pretty similar to a Tourance or the Battlewing
Anxious to hear how you like it! I'm thinking about them when I pull the K60's off after the Whitehorse trip.
 

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I hated the EXP's that came on my bike. They wore funny and IMO were sketchy in the turns. I squeezed 7932 miserable miles out of them. The front still had tread but I hated the lack of feel from it. It had a horrible tip in feel. Steered like I was in a truck.

Fast forward, I replaced both with Michelin Anakee II's and I am not looking back. Excellent tire if you like riding fast on pavement like I do. I have not taken them off road yet but since I rarely ever go off road on this pig (DR650 for that) except a gravel stretch I'm sure they will out do the crappy EXP's.

I have been a Michelin tire guy since early 2000. RoadRaced with WERA on them for 5 years and still do trackdays on them 5 years later. Never had a problem with a Michelin tire. The feedback is outstanding and that is what you need on a motorcycle at lean angles.

I ran the old original Anakee's on my two previous V-stroms (650 and 1000) and always had good mileage and constant wear from the front no cupping or weird wear patterns.

I do like the looks of that K60 and everythign sounds good about them but I doubt they'll ever find a way on my mostly street sued S10.
 

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I am about 3400 miles into my 1st set of K60's. Wife is 4 k into hers. Opinions will vary, of course, but I don't see much downside to these tires. I can ride with the sport tourers, and I can ride with dual sporters. I can ride in the rain of the Oregon coast, I can ride in the desert heat. I do think the bias ply feels a little different than the radials, and of course at low speeds and braking you can feel the knobbies on the K60's, but I am not really seeing any advantage to going back to a more street oriented tire after Whitehorse. The K60's last longer than other knobbies, and perform better on the street. They are rated to 118 mph.

The first time I mounted a set I was fairly cursing, but in the end I think that was mostly the ##$%$**%^^ TPM on the wife's GS. Eventually I figured out how to deal with that. The carcass is stiff compared to a typical sport touring tire, but I had no trouble at all mounting them on the SupaT. IIRC the K60's have two red dots on the side wall and we mounted these aligned with the valve stems. The tires do exhibit more imbalance than most of the more street oriented tires I am used to, so it is important to take advantage of the marking to reduce the amount of weight you will need to balance.
 

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Hi folks... Haven't said much in the last few months on here but thought I would share my tire experience with ya..
My ST came with EXP's and I'm very happy with them.. I thought they predictably stable and decent enough for the fire roads I ride on. (I have a XR if I want to go single trackin) I just replaced the originals with EXPs again because I got 9142 miles on the original set. The rear was smoked but front could have gone another 1000 miles easy.. I ride pretty hard chasing my buds around the Sierra Nevada Forest Service roads but do try and take care of my machine..Happiness !!
 

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I thought I'd add one demerit to the rear Battlewing I just got: the rear has a mfg date of Nov 2010, so it is has been sitting on the shelf for about 18-months. Not a huge deal, but I consider a year or less to be more normal for new tires ordered from a large mail-order place with high turnover.

This may be due to my ordering the OEM version for the S10 which probably has a lower turnover than other versions. (As I understand it, there are three rear Battlewing BW502 versions - E, F, and G - which vary in weight-carrying capability. The G is OEM replacement for the F800GS and small Tiger, the F is for the R1200GS, and the E is for the S10.)

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S10Dano said:
Hi folks... Haven't said much in the last few months on here but thought I would share my tire experience with ya..
My ST came with EXP's and I'm very happy with them.. I thought they predictably stable and decent enough for the fire roads I ride on. (I have a XR if I want to go single trackin) I just replaced the originals with EXPs again because I got 9142 miles on the original set. The rear was smoked but front could have gone another 1000 miles easy.. I ride pretty hard chasing my buds around the Sierra Nevada Forest Service roads but do try and take care of my machine..Happiness !!
Wassuupppp Dano!?
 

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S10Dano said:
Hi folks... Haven't said much in the last few months on here but thought I would share my tire experience with ya..
My ST came with EXP's and I'm very happy with them.. I thought they predictably stable and decent enough for the fire roads I ride on. (I have a XR if I want to go single trackin) I just replaced the originals with EXPs again because I got 9142 miles on the original set. The rear was smoked but front could have gone another 1000 miles easy.. I ride pretty hard chasing my buds around the Sierra Nevada Forest Service roads but do try and take care of my machine..Happiness !!
Hey Dano! LodiDon and I were wondering what happened to you. The first and last time I saw you was in Jackson for lunch just after we all got our Tenere's.
 

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Thanks Markjenn and everyone else.

Interesting. Now I may be able to predict when the Rear may need to go. ATM I have what seem to be 30% left front and rear. No service records from the previous owner so didn't know whether this bike just chewed up both at the same rate (percentage wise) or whether one has been replaced previously.

Not that it's a big deal, just don't want to be replacing tires before I really have to.
 

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I've used different 4 tires so far.

I felt the OEM Battlewings were very good pavement tires. The rear lasted my typical 7,000 mile life that I'm used to on the Strom. Rode them through a hurricane in VT last summer. I would have no hesitation using them again for an 80/20 tire.

The OEM Tourance was also good on pavement, but the rear life was much shorter than the Battlewing. I removed it after just 2,300 miles to install the K60s. At 2,300 the Tourance showed significant wear and I'm doubtful it could have gone another 2K without rolling on the wear bars.

The Anakee IIs on my wife's S10 have about 5K so far and are getting towards the end. Guesstimating they they will be done between 6.5K and 7K. Good pavement tire I've used for several years on the Stroms.

K60s - very nice tire. I did one measurement after a 1,200 mile trip and found it had only lost .5mm. I'm going to continue to track the wear, but so far very impressive. I also find no downside to this tire. Ran it as hard as I like in the twisties with TCS off and no concerns. Done hundreds of miles on a rainy highway with no issues. Nice to have some traction in the soft stuff. I do find it more rumbly below 30 MPH, but don't notice it much at all at speeds up 80 MPH.
 
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