Not enough power for 2 up

[bignick1972]

I change exhaust , i flash the ECU , i added the power commander , bit still thinking that there is not enough power when driving together with my wife .
I m 240lb and my wife only 120 .
Anything else i can do ?

 

[Karl]

I think the power of the S10 is the one thing that would make me recommend an alternative. Have you ridden the new GS or 1290? is that enough, because you probably wont get the S10 up to that level no matter what you do.

If it is just not enough for you, probably time to move on.

K

 

[bignick1972]

i never drove a different adventure bike. i use to have the Super tenere 750 almost 20 years ago .
My last bike was a Concours 14 . never felt any difference with all the saddlebags full and my wife on it .
I thought that $15K 1200 cc bike 100lb lighter could be enough .

 

[Karl]

You must really really like your ponies, in that case you may have purchased the wrong 1200 adventure bike. The others are lighter and more powerful by a considerable margin.

 

[escapefjrtist]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? I've done extended two-up touring with loaded bags and trunk and haven't wanted for more power except at go-to-jail speeds. Granted, the Tenere is no FJR or C14 [or many others] engine wise but it'll climb any mountain and run at ultra-legal speeds for hours on end...

Sounds like a 1290SA might be in your future!

YMMV

--G

 

[EricV]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? I've done extended two-up touring with loaded bags and trunk and haven't wanted for more power except at go-to-jail speeds. Granted, the Tenere is no FJR or C14 [or many others] engine wise but it'll climb any mountain and run at ultra-legal speeds for hours on end...

::026:: to that post. Having had an FJR before the S10, where are you lacking the power? You have ridden other bikes, certainly. So, you know how to down shift. Want more Hp, foolish. Hp is for dyno charts and silliness. Torque is where you feel it in your pants. Guess what, a transmission is called a torque multiplier. Need to pass in a hurry, down shift twice and whack the throttle.

Yes, it doesn't have 145 Hp. Yes, it won't fold time and space during a pass like something with 20+ more Hp. But not enough for two up touring? Unless you have a pixie for a pillion, odds are she is more comfortable on the Super Ten than on a true Sport/Touring bike.

 

[Rasher]

When you say changed exhaust do you mean full system or just the tail pipe :question:

Arrow quote a 2.4BHP gain from the end can, and 9BHP from a full system, so if you have only changed the end can there is a lot more to come from a system....

....I have Arrow headers, plus had the bike custom re-mapped on a dyno, the bike now pulls harder through the range hitting the stock bikes peak power about 1500 rpm earlier and going on to make about 12+ BHP extra and it will rev strongly into the red zone....

...but even so it is probably still only just about as fast as an LC GS, slower than a Triumph Exploder and not even in the same class as a KTM1190 or Ducati Multistrada.

If you are finding it seriously lacking I would suggest buying a faster bike ::008::

 

[Dogdaze]

My car (SUV) is a diesel, produces 177bhp and 400nm, weighs around 2000kg, yet is able to hit a top speed of 140mph (on a closed road, of course) and maintain 90mph on a cross continent trip. Now, as far as I can see the S10 produces @90 hp, 125nm, and weighs 270kg. The need for more power means the need for a different machine, because, although riding solo I can cruise comfortably at 90mph and hit 120 mph (via satnav) again on a closed road ::013:: For the life of me I cannot see the use of much more power for road use, I know how much that can cost you!! As EricV said, drop a cog and twist the throttle, the easiest way to increase power and speed.

 

[West]

My KLR has enough power to ride two up....all day at 70. Now if blasting by a line of cars, uphill in the blink of the eye is a priority then I'm SOL.....

 

[Scouse]

S10 not powerful enough for two up touring?? It makes me wonder how I managed 35 years ago two up on a Honda CX500 travelling through the French and Italian Alps for a couple of weeks with camping gear. ???

 

[Checkswrecks]

I'm waiting for BigNick to come back with some explanation.
When my son's Strom broke down we had to continue on and live 2-up on the Tenere for 2 days till parts came. Our combined weight was nearly 500# and the seat was a bit crowded, but power was never an issue.

 

[groundhog]

I think he is busy fitting a turbocharger to his bike ;D

 

[bignick1972]

I think he is busy fitting a turbocharger to his bike ;D

CAN I ? ::025::
It s not question of speed . Not sure how to explain . it s the effort to get there . When i use to cruise with my wife on yamaha raider , it s was easy and relaxing . no need of keep changing gears . with connie was the same . with S10 it s a constant changing gears to find the power ( on 2 up of course ) on low gear the bike pull to much , one gear up and no power . I may need to put the bike on a dyno maybe , to see.

 

[johnpitts01]

Most of my riding on the S10 are 2 up. Combined weight of rider and pillion @ 350 pounds.
Jesse panniers and top box.
Never felt the bike lacking in power. Ride two up exclusively in T mode. If I wanted more oooommppphhh just switch to S mode.

 

[Dogdaze]

CAN I ? ::025::
It s not question of speed . Not sure how to explain . it s the effort to get there . When i use to cruise with my wife on yamaha raider , it s was easy and relaxing . no need of keep changing gears . with connie was the same . with S10 it s a constant changing gears to find the power ( on 2 up of course ) on low gear the bike pull to much , one gear up and no power . I may need to put the bike on a dyno maybe , to see.

I get it! It's like trying to stay in the 'power band' of a stroker. Perhaps you need to adjust the way you ride this bike? I know I did, after coming from a VZR1800 and a VZ1600, nearly half the HP on the VZ but it pulled your arms out in any gear, the VZR was a complete hooligan machine. Perhaps ride in one gear lower and not let the engine drop below 3000rpm if you are riding spiritedly?

 

[bignick1972]

When you say changed exhaust do you mean full system or just the tail pipe :question:

Arrow quote a 2.4BHP gain from the end can, and 9BHP from a full system, so if you have only changed the end can there is a lot more to come from a system....

....I have Arrow headers, plus had the bike custom re-mapped on a dyno, the bike now pulls harder through the range hitting the stock bikes peak power about 1500 rpm earlier and going on to make about 12+ BHP extra and it will rev strongly into the red zone....

...but even so it is probably still only just about as fast as an LC GS, slower than a Triumph Exploder and not even in the same class as a KTM1190 or Ducati Multistrada.

If you are finding it seriously lacking I would suggest buying a faster bike ::008::

I will try to change the full system next year .
Thanks

 

[Ramseybella]

I weigh 315 lbs and load about another 60 to 80 lbs worth of travel and camping Sh*t on the back and in side cases, it does put a load on the bike but as others have suggest you need use that left foot some time to get the Mule up the hump!!
It has the power to do what it has to do just use it, it won't blow up as many times as I thought it was about to the thing is a dozer not a sport tour.
Not to be a JA but if you must have a Dual sport with power look at the KTM, BMW GS if your 90% highway seriously look into a Gold wing 1800.
Every one I know including one good friend who owns a Gold wing is a happy highway munching monster, with as good if not better at time gas mileage than the ten and is smooth as a Cadillac with gobs of six cylinder power and can maneuver like a cat in the right hands (low center of gravity).
Not much more to say good luck.. ::026::

 

[Madscots]

Not getting the buy a GS as the S10 is lacking in power ::010::


I ride with GS riders and run bike tours, I have always found both bikes pretty much same in all aspects apart from fuel capacity. I ride 2 up also and only been back from a fully loaded S10 trip from 10 days in Alps a few weeks ago........... Stelvio, B500, Nurburgring and my 2015 S10 (I've had 3) was never lacking in top end or power. I have a Yoshimura end can and a two brothers ECU....... that's it


not the bike methinks lacking power compared to same across the board ::020::

 

[greg the pole]

The ST delivers power in a different manner than an I4, or I3 for that matter.
It's not the quickest revving bike around. That said, with a full arrow system it does wake the bike up, and the ECU flash didn't hurt any either.
Not sure how much power you need, but at 3500 feet, the ST wheelies with a bit of a tug of the bars (no clutch) one up.
My FJ09 wheelies quite a bit easier still in STD mode, but I think it's down to the revvy motor, and about 140lb less mass, and an extra 10 hp.

best get some arrow headers ::013:: or an AMA memebership, and a KTM 1190 ::015::

Some guy once said: I'd rather be riding a boring bike, than pushing an exotic one.