New tires for the WaspWorks S10

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Well it's not really a technical discussion, and not really a modification, so I thought I would just place this here.

The last two Karoo dot approved rear knobbies only lasted 3000>3500kms (front shagged after about 5000kms) on the big S10 so I decided that its about time someone evaluated and reported on the easily available 140/80/17 rear + 100/90/19 front tire combo.

I have always lusted after the 150/17 Heidenau's but as we all know, they are not available and dont appear to be coming our way soon.
I live in the rural outskirts forest area of Perth so, while my bike see's a lot of dirt/gravel, I also do a goodly percentage of my travel via blacktop.
I decided long ago that the Heidenau/Mefo pattern was the best for my style of riding but have only had access to the smaller sizes listed.
The Karro's desperately needed replacement so I thought, why not bite the bullet and try the 140 rear... At the same time it occured to me that I always felt the front wheel of the S10 slightly floaty on dirt so it might actually benefit from a smaller section front tire as well, hence the 100/90/19 (supplied ex stock by Mike from Motorradgarage) as opposed to the std 110/80/19.

The long and short of it is, while I have only done 350 kms with these tires fitted, they feel great.
The 100/90/19 Mefo Explorer front is an extremely loud tire on blacktop but does seem to offer really good bite with perhaps a feeling of less float when turning in corners on the dirt. The noise seems to have settled down to about 50% of its original level so hopefully a few more kms will knock the sqweel out of it.

The Heidenau 140/80 rear just seems perfect...
Both tires in combination on the road/highway/street offer an extremely comfortable ride (compared to knobbies) and absolutely feel more confidence inspiring in the corners.
You can see from the pics that it has not been pushed to any wild lean angles but each ride see's them scrubbed a little more and the cornering feel is getting better each time.

You listen to other people who will comment (perhaps speculate) on smaller tires "tipping in quicker" or offering "less lean angle"... I call bullshit and can confidently say that this combo offers a better, more neutral, and more body position reactive feel than the original Battle wing tires supplied on the bike as delivered.

I should mention that both the Heidenau and Mefo in the sizes shown are tubeless and actually recommend the rim sizes of the S10.

Anyway, some pics on the bike and the report will probably continue as the tires are put through their paces.

Greg.





 

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Thanks for that Greg .... much appreciated. Your comments and opinions valued as always. They look good on the bike which is also a bonus. Looking forward to hearing whether the road noise from the front dimishes to any extent ... not that that's a showstopper in my book .... I just do a lot of slab travel and can do with minimal stress from road noise. Keep it up m8. :)
 

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Thanks for the pictures on the new tires and look forward to your continuing updates on how they work out.

Good looking tires, I might add!!!
 

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Thanks Greg. Great advice.

Hopefully you will continue to post here, as you seem disenchanted with AdvRider.

We all look forward to your insight and advice. Your thread on ADV convinced me to order the Super Ten and your bike is my screen saver.


John
 

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johnpitts01 said:
Thanks Greg. Great advice.

Hopefully you will continue to post here, as you seem disenchanted with AdvRider.

We all look forward to your insight and advice. Your thread on ADV convinced me to order the Super Ten and your bike is my screen saver.


John
+1 on that. Greg's thread on "XT1200Z: The new WaspWorks Super Tenere, in detail and the evolution " was ALWAYS the first thread I would read whenever I logged in!!! (until they moved it to "Vendors")
 

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Thanks for posting that information. Hope you start a post with the other mods you are working on.

Clem
 

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Good report. Hoping the 150 is here when my stockers are worn out.
 

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Wasp said:
The Heidenau 140/80 rear just seems perfect...
Both tires in combination on the road/highway/street offer an extremely comfortable ride (compared to knobbies) and absolutely feel more confidence inspiring in the corners.
You can see from the pics that it has not been pushed to any wild lean angles but each ride see's them scrubbed a little more and the cornering feel is getting better each time.

It looks like you found the original K60s or they are selling 2 varieties. Here is a pic of the new K60s which seem more street oriented. Note the solid tread in the middle.
 

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Greg,

I couldn't help but notice the direction of the tread on the front tire appears to be going in opposite direction of travel as compared to the rear.
Is this an optical illusion or could this explain your tire noise?
 

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Kevhunts said:
Greg,

I couldn't help but notice the direction of the tread on the front tire appears to be going in opposite direction of travel as compared to the rear.
Is this an optical illusion or could this explain your tire noise?
The 100/90/19 Mefo is bi-directional for front or rear fitment.
It carries markings that indicate this direction for front and the opposite for rear fitting.

Greg.
 

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Wasp said:
The 100/90/19 Mefo is bi-directional for front or rear fitment.
It carries markings that indicate this direction for front and the opposite for rear fitting.

Greg.


I have seen this before Greg with another manufacturer, but just seems strange to me. The rear looks right and the front looks bassackwards :eek:

The front looks like it would trap water and or mud to the center of the tire while the rear would channel it out away from the center. ??? I ran Duros front and rear (which looks very much like yours) on my KLR but both front and back are in the same direction as your rear tire. I have stuck with the duro for the rear but the front cupped too much for me. I get about (3500 mi.) out of the rear Duro, I am not easy on it and it sticks. Cheap tire and works great. :) I would say it is around a 60/40 tire. I learned about the Duro over 4 years ago from a full time dual sport guy that has over 300k on KLR's.

If the Heidenau lasts I may have to look into them for my new XT12. I like the tread pattern due to the fact it is like the Duro but with the Duro 65s I can only get a 130/80 as far as I can tell.
 

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Greg,

I remember you changed the "dog bones" to raise the rear of your bike.

I'm still on original Tourance EXP with 7000km on the rear and it won't do much more but with original height... do you think its a good idea to change tire sizes?

Why didn't you go for the TKC80? Just asking because they seem to be very popular.

Everything was easier on my RRRs (tire wise). Now I don't know.
 

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RomKnight said:
Greg,

I remember you changed the "dog bones" to raise the rear of your bike.

I'm still on original Tourance EXP with 7000km on the rear and it won't do much more but with original height... do you think its a good idea to change tire sizes?

Why didn't you go for the TKC80? Just asking because they seem to be very popular.

Everything was easier on my RRRs (tire wise). Now I don't know.
Hi Rom.
I did end up manufacturing a rear suspension raising kit (+25mm) for the S10. I actually manufacture a lowering kit (-25mm) as well, but I am not sure about the relevance to tire sizes? Maybe elaborate a bit.
I am doing more road riding than dirt and I just thought the TKC/Karoo were too much of a compromise for my style.. None of the Dot knobbies are really too good in the dirt and certainly not real good on the road.
I this these tires are the best compromise by offering more rubber on the road with a very deep and reasonably aggresive tread pattern for the soil.
I firmly believe these are THE true dual sport tire of choice.

Greg.

Rear suspension raising links. ( http://www.motorradgarage.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=106_247&products_id=1160 )
 

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Wasp said:
Hi Rom.
I did end up manufacturing a rear suspension raising kit (+25mm) for the S10. I actually manufacture a lowering kit (-25mm) as well, but I am not sure about the relevance to tire sizes? Maybe elaborate a bit.
I am doing more road riding than dirt and I just thought the TKC/Karoo were too much of a compromise for my style.. None of the Dot knobbies are really too good in the dirt and certainly not real good on the road.
I this these tires are the best compromise by offering more rubber on the road with a very deep and reasonably aggresive tread pattern for the soil.
I firmly believe these are THE true dual sport tire of choice.

Greg.

Rear suspension raising links. ( http://www.motorradgarage.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=106_247&products_id=1160 )
Jeez careful Greg - walkin a fine line aren't ya? Wanna get booted to Vendors here too? :D
 

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I am stoked that Greg is here posting. In 3 years I have only posted 60 or so times on ADV, here, well I am about to 700 posts in a short couple months!!! Thanks to all for making this interesting. Come on may!!!
 

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How Greg use his XT12 seems more less like i'm using mine. I must agree that the tire combination should suit one's needs and I'm very concerned with the on-road grip from my tires. A ~80%-20% on/off-road capacity suits me...

Thanks
 
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