Never stalled a bike as much as the SuperT

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

Bought the ST new 4 months ago, I have stalled it about a dozen times now when starting off from stopped at a red light or stop sign.
I never had this problem with previous bikes-Kawasaki Z900RS, Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Speed Triple. Will the ECU flash likely resolve this issue or is it me?

 

[cyclemike4]

Bought the ST new 4 months ago, I have stalled it about a dozen times now when starting off from stopped at a red light or stop sign.
I never had this problem with previous bikes-Kawasaki Z900RS, Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Speed Triple. Will the ECU flash likely resolve this issue or is it me?

Hello Billy! Welcome. Yes these bikes can be fussy. Mine was terrible when new and it took several hundred miles to break it in then i did some work under the hood to eliminate the stalling flaming out issues. I didnt have mine flashed but several on here have. For them most part all are happy with the outcome. Im sure some one will let you know all the details to having that done.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Will the ECU flash likely resolve this issue or is it me?

An ECU flash will probably fix this issue. But it only took me about 15 minutes to "reflash" my wrists. Make sure your clutch "grey area" is how you want it. (clutch may be engaging too quickly) Are you in "S" or "T"? Because mine stays in "S". When I inadvertently put it in "T", I will stall it every time leaving a stop sign. The more you ride, in stop n go traffic, the more you get used to it. Just like anything else practice makes muscle memory. But those that have flashed their ECUs, swear by it. See if you can meet up with someone that has a flashed bike and will let you test it to see if it's what you want/need.

For the record: I love my unflashed bike with the heavy engine braking.

 

[fac191]

Its normal to stall it like this. For me it took a few thousand miles before it loosened up. At 10,000 it felt run in. I see you had a twin before but its alot more modern than a Super Tenere so may be has some tech on it to help that out. I used to stall my 800 Triumph Tiger when it was new aswell. Just give it some more gas when taking off. As long as the TC is on max it should be fine.

 

[Tenforeplay]

I liked to stall my bike at the lights also. Sport mode helps to alleviate the issue. I flashed my ‘23 using the hulk tune on this website. Helps much. I have had one stall since. Little over 4k miles now. Do the flash, you’ll be happier. I don’t know any other fix for the stalling.

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

An ECU flash will probably fix this issue. But it only took me about 15 minutes to "reflash" my wrists. Make sure your clutch "grey area" is how you want it. (clutch may be engaging too quickly) Are you in "S" or "T"? Because mine stays in "S". When I inadvertently put it in "T", I will stall it every time leaving a stop sign. The more you ride, in stop n go traffic, the more you get used to it. Just like anything else practice makes muscle memory. But those that have flashed their ECUs, swear by it. See if you can meet up with someone that has a flashed bike and will let you test it to see if it's what you want/need.

For the record: I love my unflashed bike with the heavy engine braking.

It’s been in “T” every time

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

I liked to stall my bike at the lights also. Sport mode helps to alleviate the issue. I flashed my ‘23 using the hulk tune on this website. Helps much. I have had one stall since. Little over 4k miles now. Do the flash, you’ll be happier. I don’t know any other fix for the stalling.

Thanks

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

It’s been in “T” every time

And I’ll try the reflash of my wrists

 

[Wallkeeper]

And I’ll try the reflash of my wrists

do the rocking exercise just into and then out of the friction zone. A couple of 5 minute routines over a day or two should help the muscle memory

 

[-=clinton=-]

I bought a 2013 about 6 months ago and had an issue with stalling. Once I got the throttle bodies in sync and adjusted the CO2 to +3 the bike ran a lot better, lost "most" of its snatchy throttle and idled better/smoother/higher. I get it, it's new and you dont wanna dig into it but an afternoons worth of work will make a sizable difference. You can research all the things mentioned. I found them all here. Best of luck.

 

[Sierra1]

do the rocking exercise just into and then out of the friction zone. A couple of 5 minute routines over a day or two should help the muscle memory

And that's where experimenting with the clutch lever setting becomes more important. I like mine engaging "far from the bar". I have a friend that likes it engaging "close to the bar".

 

[OldRider]

A Barnett pressure plate kit will help make the clutch engagement go a lot smoother.

 

[WJBertrand]

Make sure to lube the clutch lever pivot. Mine was sticky (it even creaked audibly) when new, which make it hard to smoothly release or feel the friction zone. I took it apart and it was completely dry. Greasing it helped tremendously.

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

Bought the ST new 4 months ago, I have stalled it about a dozen times now when starting off from stopped at a red light or stop sign.
I never had this problem with previous bikes-Kawasaki Z900RS, Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Speed Triple. Will the ECU flash likely resolve this issue or is it me?

Thanks for all the input lads, much appreciated! Cheers!

 

[EricV]

Most Super Tens are more susceptible to stalling this way when new. My '12 was like that, but after a few thousand miles it went away. No need for a flash, just ride the bike. The mentioned things to do/check are all good and not difficult. We set our bikes up to suit our tastes and needs.

The '15 that I bought used with low miles never exhibited the stalling. Not because it was a Gen II or anything done to it, just because it was already broken in a bit.

Wroth a mention is for riders coming to the S10 as their first experience with Throttle by wire, there is an adjustment period. Throttle control has to be managed a bit more closely/finely than with a non TBW EFI bike. And if someone comes strait from carb bikes to TBW, they usually hate it and have a more difficult time adjusting.

My preference is for very little throttle free play. Less than Yamaha specs in the service manual. And I rode my '12 in T mode for the first 600 miles, changed the oil and put it in S and never used T again. If it accidently got into T mode, I'd be instantly wondering WTF after the first shift, then flick it back into S mode and all was well again. T feels so lazy once you're used to the throttle movement of S mode.

 

[Sweden]

I came from a Triumph Tiger 1200 to the Tenere and I had the same problem with stalling and it did put me in same bad situation.
Triumph: Let go of the clutch and give throttle when you fel it.
Tenere: Do both at the same time but more throttle than clutch …..took me a while to get the muscles to work with the brain.
Now the problem is gone. I reflashed the bike a while ago and now the jerks in low speed/higher gear is gone too. It made a huge differens on the throttle responce.
The guy at the Yamaha dealership work with an american guy/copany who’s been doing this since the begining of times.
This was my way to a very plesant ride.

 

[Tenforeplay]

I also think it is something to do with the lean idle a/f ratio. Something in the range of 13.5/1 would be my preference. I have the software to make the adjustment, just have to figure out how to do it.

 

[Sierra1]

I don't know. Not sayin' you're wrong. But my throttle control is good enough that I can upshift without the clutch smooth as silk. Preload the shifter, twitch the throttle off, shift, and twitch the throttle back on all at the same time. No jerking, no stumble, just smooth. But ya' got to ride her to get used to her.

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

Most Super Tens are more susceptible to stalling this way when new. My '12 was like that, but after a few thousand miles it went away. No need for a flash, just ride the bike. The mentioned things to do/check are all good and not difficult. We set our bikes up to suit our tastes and needs.

The '15 that I bought used with low miles never exhibited the stalling. Not because it was a Gen II or anything done to it, just because it was already broken in a bit.

Wroth a mention is for riders coming to the S10 as their first experience with Throttle by wire, there is an adjustment period. Throttle control has to be managed a bit more closely/finely than with a non TBW EFI bike. And if someone comes strait from carb bikes to TBW, they usually hate it and have a more difficult time adjusting.

My preference is for very little throttle free play. Less than Yamaha specs in the service manual. And I rode my '12 in T mode for the first 600 miles, changed the oil and put it in S and never used T again. If it accidently got into T mode, I'd be instantly wondering WTF after the first shift, then flick it back into S mode and all was well again. T feels so lazy once you're used to the throttle movement of S mode.

 

[Billy Stemhovilichski]

T is definitely lazy, S mode is snatchy/twitchy but has alleviated the stalling issues I previously mentioned. (I have been out testing it) My Multistrada had ride by wire and the 4 riding modes changed the bikes personality without the throttle issues encountered with the Super T riding modes. That said I don’t regret buying the S10, I will continue to faff about with it, likely an ECU flash in the future.