I got a clatter

[tomatocity]

Did you have any warning?

Its why I took it to the dealer. I didn't know how this engine is supposed to sound. The dealer made me feel somewhat better, but I still think I'll have the valve check done before the recommended miles. I'm going to trust the dealer and take a trip to pick up some Pelican cases next Sun and Mon.
It'll be about 600 mile round trip.
If it fails, it fails. Can't live in fear.....

Most motorcycle shops have the same attitude... until they discover a continuing problem. The dealership I go to had the same attitude and I directed them to this forum and asked them to contact Yamaha concrning problems with the CCT. Changed their attitude and said they would replace the CCT at the next valve adjustment. I agreed and we almost made it. I just got an email from the service manager and the completion has been pushed back to next week. That will be 3.5 months.

 

[shrekonwheels]

Man, Tomato I think your Dealership has went above and beyond, had I been in their place and had you wanting 14 pistons instead of 12s along with all the other things I probably would have just gave it back to you in a Box and told you to do it yourself.

It is a HUGE thing when dealerships accommodate beyond their own knowledge and base, be very grateful

 

[itlives]

I just got an email from the service manager and the completion has been pushed back to next week. That will be 3.5 months.

I'd say too bad you missed the best part of the year (so far) for riding, but you live in Cali where everyday is a great day (as long as you have water).

 

[tomatocity]

Man, Tomato I think your Dealership has went above and beyond, had I been in their place and had you wanting 14 pistons instead of 12s along with all the other things I probably would have just gave it back to you in a Box and told you to do it yourself.

It is a HUGE thing when dealerships accommodate beyond their own knowledge and base, be very grateful

Remind me to not hire you. I would expect you to do your job to the highest level. I sure wouldn't ask anybody to do a mediocre job and pay them top dollar.

 

[EricV]

I sure wouldn't ask anybody to do a mediocre job and pay them top dollar.

Sincerely, good luck on that. My dealer couldn't be bothered to route hoses and wiring correctly, or even find where the extra bolts went. And that was after having the bike for four months. I suspect you will find several half assed things done on your bike when you get it back. Hopefully they will do the really important stuff well. (I'm sure hoping they did on mine).

IIRC, your failure occurred a week prior to your second valve check interval? Mine occured just after the 3rd, mileage wise, but before the third was done.

@itlives - Sorry, I didn't catch what mileage you are currently at. If you're coming up on the first valve check, it's plenty safe to wait. If you're coming up on the 52k mark, probably wise to get it done just before 50k, just to be on the safe side. And DO NOT CHANGE THE OIL BEFORE YOU TAKE IT IN!. An oil change was the pre-curser for both Tomatocity and my failures. Takes just a tad longer for oil pressure to build after an oil change. Had I just taken it in with dirty oil, it probably would have not slipped the CCT and all would have been just a slightly more expensive valve adjustment with the new CCT being swapped under warranty.

 

[shrekonwheels]

Remind me to not hire you. I would expect you to do your job to the highest level. I sure wouldn't ask anybody to do a mediocre job and pay them top dollar.

What you do not realize is losing money and spending valuable time on a build which he really does not make much on to begin with.
You got yourself all wound up over things which you know little about, I understand, we have all been there.
Again, he is an outstanding dealer and is behind mainly because you
Will he benefit from this in the future? Probably not, as it sounds like you want everyone to know how long he took putting a bike together, but leave out the changes which you required.
What will he make in the future off you? Be honest. Gear? Another bike? Would you even let him do your next maintenance? Will you recommend him?
Thus my point
::003::

 

[itlives]

Thanks Erik. I'm coming up on 10,000 miles. One reason I'm concerned is the noise this engine makes - it's loud!
The other reason is I'm one of two people (reported) that had a timing chain tensioner go out on my NC700X (Honda) .
It seems if it can go wrong, it will .
I'm talking to the previous owner today. Hopefully he will have records. If not, I'm changing the oil soon.

 

[shrekonwheels]

Change the oil & filter regardless, change your final drive as well, cheap insurance.

 

[itlives]

Did the final drive yesterday.
What's the best oil ? HA! HA HA! JK!

 

[Mark R.]

I have a '12 with Y.E.S. warranty.....mentioned to my local dealer that its noisy on cold starts....they called Yamaha and was given approval to swap out CCT with updated part number....Yamaha gives them 2.5 hrs to swap it, but the job took 8 hrs...(remove valve cover to tie cam chain to sprockets) They lost their a$$, had to eat 5.5 hrs labor. Shop owner said he will never do another CCT upgrade, loses too much money..Yamaha repair manual sez you must tie chain to cams, no other technique is acceptable. I've heard of guys tying the chain down by the lower sprocket, but I fail to see how to get a TY-wrap in there to tighten it up. Maybe sneak a piece of safety wire there possibly.

I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination, but I replaced my CCT twice, once with a '14, and then the Graves manual unit. Each time it took maybe an hour. All you have to do is take the clutch cover off and the right side panel and lift the tank. To keep tension on the chain, you just have to keep the cam chain slipper - the one the tensioner pushes on - tight. I placed a 19mm socket behind the slipper to block rearward movement, and it moved back maybe a 1/16" before stopping when I took out the tensioner. Ten minutes later I had the new one in, and as I tightened up on the manual one, the socket came loose. I adjusted the tensioner to what looked good, and buttoned it up.

 

[itlives]

Thanks Mark. I like to do all the work I can on anything I drive (it's why my other vehicle is a 1980 F-150).
I'm sure I'll do it myself! Is there a gasket for the clutch cover or just a sealant?
I don't have a manual, yet. Promise to not ask a lot of "you could have looked that you up" questions before now and then!

 

[snakebitten]

There IS a gasket for that clutch cover. And I purchased one before changing the clutch basket on my 12 to a 14.

But the oem gasket was undamaged during disassembly. Seemed to be very good quality.
So I have the new one stored away. Probably forever.

 

[itlives]

Thanks Snakebitten, nothing worse than not having little things like gaskets to derail ya!
You know if you hadn't got the gasket, the old one you would have been snake bit ::025::

 

[shrekonwheels]

There IS a gasket for that clutch cover. And I purchased one before changing the clutch basket on my 12 to a 14.

But the oem gasket was undamaged during disassembly. Seemed to be very good quality.
So I have the new one stored away. Probably forever.

I am still cleaning out my Fathers Garage of Cached parts and gaskets he had for spares, and spares of spares :'(

 

[Koinz]

I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination, but I replaced my CCT twice, once with a '14, and then the Graves manual unit. Each time it took maybe an hour. All you have to do is take the clutch cover off and the right side panel and lift the tank. To keep tension on the chain, you just have to keep the cam chain slipper - the one the tensioner pushes on - tight. I placed a 19mm socket behind the slipper to block rearward movement, and it moved back maybe a 1/16" before stopping when I took out the tensioner. Ten minutes later I had the new one in, and as I tightened up on the manual one, the socket came loose. I adjusted the tensioner to what looked good, and buttoned it up.

so did you notice an improvement with the manual tensioner over the 14 CCT. I have a manual tensioner sitting on the shelf. Debating whether I should install it or wait until my YES warranty expires.