clutch problem bike stalls on start and shifter super hard to get neutral

I got problem with the clutch.

  • Clutch problem bike pull forward.

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  • bike stalls when engage in 1st gear.

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Toyamaha

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When i start bike in neutral everything is ok. As soon as i engage in first gear event with the clutch in the bike stalls immediately . What is wrong with the bike. Thanks i need your help.

Yesterday i was riding the bike and i had lots of troubles with the shifter as it was real hard to change gear or impossible to get neutral. So I did a stop to remove shifter and lube it as i had a sticky shifter in the past. That did nothing.
Also when i was at a stop in first gear with the clutch pull in the bike was pulling forward like if the clutch was half in but the clutch was fully pulled. It seem that the clutch look to be still engage when i pull the clutch lever.
Please i need advise as i cannot use my tenere now. Toyamaha.
 

Brick

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I'm sure others, smarter than me will reply here. But it sounds like a clutch basket or a clutch? Either way it's gonna have to come apart.
Just my $.02 Worth.
Good luck!
 

EricV

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I agree with Dogdaze on bleeding the clutch first. Always try the simple and cheap fixes before jumping into the expensive ones. If you had not been having clutch issues for some significant time prior to this, I would say that it's unlikely the clutch friction disks or steels need to be replaced.

What year bike & how many miles?

From your description, it would fit with the clutch not being fully disengaged when you pull the lever. That could be as simple as air in the line, a bad master cylinder, (or dirty one), or a bad slave cylinder. There are other things, but they are far less common and less likely to have occurred. pull the master cylinder cover on the left bar, suck out the fluid, clean carefully with tissue/q-tips and fill with new Dot 4 brake fluid, then carefully bleed w/o sucking air into the system, keeping the reservoir topped off. A pain because it's so small. When you get fresh fluid out the bottom, button it up and see what the lever feels like. If it feels soft or "funny", open it back up and either re-bleed, or tie the lever to the bar, use a screwdriver handle or similar to gently tap the fittings and line from the bottom to the top, moving along slowly, then leave the cover off and lever tied to the bar over night. Button it up the next morning and see what it feels like. If good/normal, fire the bike up in neutral and on the center stand and see if the rear wheel spins while in neutral with the clutch lever pulled in. It may spin a little and be ok, but you should be able to stop it easily with some pressure on the wheel/tire.

If it's clearly moving along try shifting into 1st, releasing the clutch lever and letting the wheel spin up at idle, then pull the clutch lever in and see what happens. Hopefully the wheel will noticeably slow down, which is a good sign. If it doesn't, either the clutch plates are sticking together, or the clutch is still not fully disengaging and other things need to be investigated.

IF you check and rule out these issues, then I would move on to pulling the clutch cover, (the gasket usually does not tear and can be re-used), and at least visually inspecting for something out of place. (Note that the bolts should be tightened in a specific sequence to avoid a leaky gasket or stress to the cover.)

You can remove the clutch plates/friction disks, (except the last one), w/o removing the nut that holds the clutch boss in place. If you remove the plates, make a paint mark, (nail polish works well), on the outer clutch plate and the clutch hub so you put them back the same way. The other plates are not as critical, but you will see there is a right and wrong way to install them that becomes apparent when you do it. Things don't fit in if you're off a notch. I would leave pulling and examining the clutch plates for last, as they are rarely an issue unless you have very high mileage. Mine looked nearly new at 85k miles or so when I upgraded my '12 to a '14 Clutch hub.
 

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had a similar if not the same problem with my 2012. There are posts somewhere here on the forum about it.

With clutch pulled, the plates did not separate and a blip of the throttle would cause the bike to surge forward.

My dealer warranted the fix - full clutch basket and plates swap. Once basket was out, Yamaha confirmed a milling error on the basket that did not let it disengage.

Bummer was that Yamaha would not put in the 2014 basket

Good luck
 

Toyamaha

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I will try everything you guys mention by starting by bleeding the system. It started a while ago last summer at the end that when i would engage in first gear it would give a forward jerky motion when i would engage the first gear. the bike is at 15 732 km so very new for a 2012. My warrenty is off for a long time. Any chance you think yamaha would warrenty this or i am just dreaming. Thanks Ill give follow up as soon as i can bleed the system. Toyamaha.
 

Don in Lodi

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Where did you say the fluid went? A loose fitting some where?
 

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The clutch fluid gets some abuse on this bike small master I sort of hate it as it runs out of fluid with two pulls on the lever I bled mine three times over the 35k miles.
If you find your clutch lever feels mushy even after you see no air bubbles and clean fluid flowing out, a little trick my mechanic told me.
Put a rag under the banjo bolt on the master with the cover on pull the lever in give the banjo bolt a small loosen till a little fluid comes out keep the lever in then re-tighten the Banjo.
Apparently a small amount of air can get caught in the Banjo bolt.
Using a vacuum pump is a god send for doing this as well as for bleeding the front breaks.
 

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Sounds like you got somewhere in the end. When I saw the post title I was going to suggest checking the side-stand switch. You probably know, but it cuts the engine if you engage first with the side-stand down, and if it's faulty it doesn't matter whether the side-stand is down or not.
 

Toyamaha

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Hello everyone. First i wanna thanks all for all the help on this forum. I did bleed the system a few days ago and it did fix the problem. I could not believe it was the only problem. That little black gasket in the clutch fluid reservoir was pinched and was the problem. After i went for a ride after the bleed the bike was running very smooth between all gears. Thanks all for all the help given. Toyamaha. http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/Smileys/DarkB/smiley021.gif
 
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