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yeah, definitely AT would better better at pulling chicks LOL Chain is not a problem for me though. Never had shaft, this would be my first one. I would prefer ST had chain as well and be 20 kg lighter :)

Africa Twin Adventure sports has tubeless wheels, cruise control and all the goodies.

problem with honda AT this bike is so fragile, feels cheaply build comparing to ST. I go offroad a lot so I need dual sport bike.

honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports 2021 and ST 2019. both new

because it's the last new tenere in my country price is not maybe that good as I got almost the same offer for new Africa Twin Adventure Sport, just a bit higher. plus Super Tenere is 2019 and AT is 2021 :) so definitely I lose on residual value :) So what would you get if you were shopping...

Hi, I learned that Super Tenere is no longer offered in Europe since this year, buit got some really good deal on new black tech St1200ZE 2019 left over. I was actually planning get new Africa Twin but stumbled on this last one in my country. Very tempting, what do you think?

honda Africa Twin will add next year 1100cc and following 800cc so yamaha must keep in touch. Why they don't do one model but good enough??

exactly, there is absolutely no difference which you use key, kill switch or side stand. Been discussed already before.

ShaunvR big mistake, now you're out of the exclusive beamer club and its benefits...

ST is built for overcast or night rides only.

from what I read so far Guzi are very reliable, guys done 100's kilometers without a problems. Air cooling for me huge benefit, nothing to leak and weight saving. I was concerned about dry clutch but it's not like Ducati clutch, it's more like car clutch, very tough.

Anybody has any experience with moto Guzzi?, bike looks fantastic, shaft drive, air cooled and light!

think harder.

commuter bike? LOL no, it isn't.

I've seen spy shots, they come back down to 750cc and chain based final drive, of course no TFT screen because motorcycle is not a phone. I will pre order soon.

that's definitely true, honda went downhill recently with quality.

so how do you think which bike would better of these two to pull chicks ;)

that's good point, being able to afford buying GS is not the end of the story - maintaining it is the other what consist of full package. That I couldn't not justify at my income level to get a bike as expensive as my car - makes no sense, but if I sh@#$i money sure, why not have such toy...

exactly, cost is the main factor not the reliability etc as some trying to cheat themselves. If price were the same many would get GS no question asked, be honest at least to yourself...

exactly, bad design by yamaha, not for the first time BTW. It must be very hard for engineers to foresee a water will be coming on that place LOL, students could do better. Yet they remove fender extender just to save few bucks, regardless all of older bikes had it for a reason.