Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)

Checkswrecks · May 8, 2020

moto.monk said:
I dont even bother reading three paragraphs of this crap. I just ride , a buddies ride breaking down from battery connects coming loose. What worse he had a massive brake fluid leak I pointed out and he said it was ok. LOL my other comment got deleted my a mod. Sucks to tell the truth
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Moto.Monk -

The post that got cut had a lot of political America vs Australia politics and what drove it over the edge were the pokes at another member in response to his comments at you and somebody else here. When remarks go from debate to pokes at other members, even if in response like you did, I sometimes will edit lines with [CONTENT DELETED - CW]. But I actually do have other things going on in my life when time is short I'll just delete the whole post. It wasn't anything personal.

Checkswrecks · May 8, 2020

RonH said:
0.3% of the population has had it, at least in the USA, and we are near top of the list, and out of that deduct those that have died, those that had it months ago and no longer do. How many have it now that are potential to spread? Maybe 0.15% at most. So that means 99.85% of people don't have it. I don't mean to downgrade the thing as not worth worry, but my God come on. 99.85% of people don't have it. You think you need a mask, that is ok, but the frick with that for me. Require a mask, I don't go there. A big, or make that HUGE overreaction and worry over this. We will never recover, not so much from the flu, but the overreaction to minimise the spread.

I hear this argument now & then and understand where it's coming from because you certainly are not alone in feeling this way.

Two-thirds of Americans doubt the coronavirus death toll

Yet another partisan disagreement — this time about whether the death count is too high or too low.

www.axios.com

As of today, there've been 1.3 million American cases and 76,537 dead Americans, a third of whom were in the NY/NJ area. That still leaves roughly 50,000 known deaths among the rest of the States and the curves showing number of cases has flattened but is going to continue on for some time. In less urban areas this thing is still on the uptick. Further, those numbers only show the tip of the iceberg, in that they are confirmed cases because there has been so little testing available even in the urban areas. As stated in the article:

"The available data suggests those who believe we're undercounting coronavirus deaths may be right, says Axios health care editor Sam Baker.

Many deaths aren't officially attributed to the coronavirus because not enough people have been tested for the virus. Preliminary evidence suggests it has in fact killed thousands more people than official records indicate.
Several hard-hit states have seen about 50% more deaths than normal over the past few weeks, per Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data, and New York City's death rate is about three times higher than normal,"

We've each got the power of choice in how we are going to respond. I may not agree and will avoid somebody near me without a mask but will respect that their acceptance of higher risk is their choice.

Tombstone · May 8, 2020

Checkswrecks said:
"The woman featured in ‘Plandemic,' the coronavirus conspiracy video just banned from social media as false and harmful"

Meanwhile:

What Dr. Fauci wants you to know about face masks and staying home as virus spreads

As COVID-19 spreads across the country, there has been some debate over the need for government stay-at-home orders, whether Americans should be wearing masks in public and how the coronavirus spreads. Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health, one the key health officials on...

www.pbs.org

If a person believes the narrative that the Main Stream Media is telling them, then there is no sense discussing anything with someone else who gets their news from other sources.
She wrote a book exposing the corruption of the CDC, WHO, Dr Fauci and others and suffered for that. Including her house searched without a warrant and being held in jail without being charged.
Believe what you want as will I.

Tombstone · May 8, 2020

Eville Rich said:
This woman is a anti-vaxxing quack. A top mind? I guess it's all relative. And if your post was meant as ironic, I apologize for not catching that angle.

Eville Rich

I'm sure your credentials are more impressive than hers..

Checkswrecks · May 8, 2020

???

As you said there are all sorts of people on the intertoobs.

Madhatter · May 8, 2020

What flavor is the coolaid these days? I like grape.

WJBertrand · May 8, 2020

Couple of scientific points to consider regarding masks. Though the viral particles are indeed much smaller than the pores in most masks, it's important to understand that viruses are spread via aerosols and not as individual viral particles. Aerosols are basically fogs of aqueous droplets that are much larger than an individual viral particle. The viral particles are carried within these droplets, possibly in huge numbers. Humans spread this and other viral disease mostly via aerosols produced as a result of coughing, sneezing, etc.. As these droplets have more mass than a viral particle they tend to drop onto the ground or nearby horizontal surfaces within a fairly short radius around the person emitting the aerosol. That's what the 6ft (2 Meter) spacing recommendation is based on. Of course there are exceptions, cases such as downwind from an infected, coughing patient on a gusty day I suppose. Also, note that a vapor is not the same as an aerosol (I've seen a lot of confusion on this point), in a vapor, liquid has completely changed its physical state from a liquid to a gas. A vapor cannot carry the viral particles.

Also there is concept of challenge. What microbiologists describe as a challenge is the minimum number of viral particles or bacteria cells required to cause an infection. Exposure to numbers of organisms below the challenge level will not generally result in establishing an infection. Of course this challenge level will differ for differing organisms, route of administration and individual people, but these challenge numbers tend to be in the exponential range, i.e. you can get infected by exposure to a single or a few organisms.

As a Career Scientist with two a major medical device companies, I love experiments - i.e. generating my own evidence where possible. If you want to do your own experiment to see for yourself and make up your own mind, take a spray bottle like you might use to mist plants. Hold up a piece of barrier material (cloth or mask) so that you can see both sides of it. Now spray one side and observe how much of the aerosol goes through the barrier material. You can even compare different materials to see which is a better aerosol barrier. Another experiment is to just spray the aerosol horizontally into the air and observe how far it travels.

tntmo · May 8, 2020

ballisticexchris said:
Well, it is required to wear a mask anytime you are outside your home as per my local and San Diego County Health Order:

Straight from sandiegocounty.gov

When they're not required
Face coverings are not required:

Swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling or running by yourself or with household members.
You should have a face covering ready and wear it if you come within six feet of other people.

If you have reasons to take extra precautionary steps, I am not going to judge you for it but don't judge me because I am following the rules as they are published.

Eville Rich · May 8, 2020

tntmo said:
Straight from sandiegocounty.gov

When they're not required
Face coverings are not required:

Swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling or running by yourself or with household members.
You should have a face covering ready and wear it if you come within six feet of other people.

If you have reasons to take extra precautionary steps, I am not going to judge you for it but don't judge me because I am following the rules as they are published.

Depending on the situation it can be difficult to manage the 6 ft distance biking or walking. A friend of mine does a lot of cycling and she's chosen to avoid the more active paths. She wears a buff to pull up as people approach, but it's challenging and distracting to do that where it's busy.

The whole non-medical mask thing is interesting. My understanding is that it confers relatively limited protection to the wearer. It's more about you preventing transmission to others. With the apparently large number of asymptomatic people, wearing the mask can enable the 6 ft distancing to be effective. But the point about a mask isn't to protect you, it's about protecting others. I've seen a number of folks dismiss masks as it doesn't protect them, so is deemed unnecessary. It's an interesting attitude but I also allow that there has been a lot of competing information on the subject.

Eville Rich

WJBertrand · May 8, 2020

Eville Rich said:
But the point about a mask isn't to protect you, it's about protecting others.

EXACTLY.

ballisticexchris · May 8, 2020

tntmo said:
Straight from sandiegocounty.gov

When they're not required
Face coverings are not required:

Swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling or running by yourself or with household members.
You should have a face covering ready and wear it if you come within six feet of other people.

If you have reasons to take extra precautionary steps, I am not going to judge you for it but don't judge me because I am following the rules as they are published.

As I stated, you are required to wear a mask if you come within 6ft of others. That is a general rule. The virus travels way farther than 6ft in certain conditions. And there is not a snowballs chance in hell anyone is going to be able to distance themselves safely on a narrow trail or sidewalk.

As you have already proclaimed: "If someone gets into my space, they made that choice". Actually it's not a choice if it can't be avoided. Anyone who is going to exercise in public without a mask is adding a greater risk to themselves and others. I'm not judging. Just stating the facts.

Then you have people who actually believe this anti-vaccination freak Judy Mikovits. She has zero scientific proof of anything that comes out of her mouth. She only deals in theories. If everyone listened to her we would all be dead. In fact lots of people have already died listening to her stupid experimental "cancer cure purification method" using interferon proteins.

So far my wife's healthy uncle has died, his wife is quarantined, and a long time coworker was just diagnosed the other day and is in the hospital. So yes, I am taking this virus seriously. Mask at all times whenever I'm outside my home. My choice to take every precaution as possible. If everyone took extra precautions, COVID-19 would be slowed way down from spreading.

SHUMBA · May 8, 2020

WJBertrand said:
EXACTLY.

Ya, now you gottit!
SHUMBA

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SHUMBA · May 8, 2020

WJBertrand said:
Couple of scientific points to consider regarding masks. Though the viral particles are indeed much smaller than the pores in most masks, it's important to understand that viruses are spread via aerosols and not as individual viral particles. Aerosols are basically fogs of aqueous droplets that are much larger than an individual viral particle. The viral particles are carried within these droplets, possibly in huge numbers. Humans spread this and other viral disease mostly via aerosols produced as a result of coughing, sneezing, etc.. As these droplets have more mass than a viral particle they tend to drop onto the ground or nearby horizontal surfaces within a fairly short radius around the person emitting the aerosol. That's what the 6ft (2 Meter) spacing recommendation is based on. Of course there are exceptions, cases such as downwind from an infected, coughing patient on a gusty day I suppose. Also, note that a vapor is not the same as an aerosol (I've seen a lot of confusion on this point), in a vapor, liquid has completely changed its physical state from a liquid to a gas. A vapor cannot carry the viral particles.

Also there is concept of challenge. What microbiologists describe as a challenge is the minimum number of viral particles or bacteria cells required to cause an infection. Exposure to numbers of organisms below the challenge level will not generally result in establishing an infection. Of course this challenge level will differ for differing organisms, route of administration and individual people, but these challenge numbers tend to be in the exponential range, i.e. you can get infected by exposure to a single or a few organisms.

As a Career Scientist with two a major medical device companies, I love experiments - i.e. generating my own evidence where possible. If you want to do your own experiment to see for yourself and make up your own mind, take a spray bottle like you might use to mist plants. Hold up a piece of barrier material (cloth or mask) so that you can see both sides of it. Now spray one side and observe how much of the aerosol goes through the barrier material. You can even compare different materials to see which is a better aerosol barrier. Another experiment is to just spray the aerosol horizontally into the air and observe how far it travels.

Thank you for the detailed explanation about sneezing and coughing. When we sneeze, we force moisture from our bodies via our noses and throats. Under the correct lighting conditions we have all seen this. The droplets of various sizes do travel for a considerable distance and often remain airborne.
A mask is not the total solution, however; I do believe any face covering is beneficial.
SHUMBA

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ballisticexchris · May 8, 2020

I'm all about protecting not only myself but others as well. It's strange that a lot of others don't have their brain wired that way. Reckless behavior is the new normal for grown adults.

WJBertrand · May 8, 2020

SHUMBA said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation about sneezing and coughing. When we sneeze, we force moisture from our bodies via our noses and throats. Under the correct lighting conditions we have all seen this. The droplets of various sizes do travel for a considerable distance and often remain airborne.
A mask is not the total solution, however; I do believe any face covering is beneficial.
SHUMBA

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Nothing is 100%, it’s all down to reducing odds.

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Baja Explorer · May 8, 2020

WJBertrand said:
Couple of scientific points to consider regarding masks. Though the viral particles are indeed much smaller than the pores in most masks, it's important to understand that viruses are spread via aerosols and not as individual viral particles. Aerosols are basically fogs of aqueous droplets that are much larger than an individual viral particle. The viral particles are carried within these droplets, possibly in huge numbers. Humans spread this and other viral disease mostly via aerosols produced as a result of coughing, sneezing, etc.. As these droplets have more mass than a viral particle they tend to drop onto the ground or nearby horizontal surfaces within a fairly short radius around the person emitting the aerosol. That's what the 6ft (2 Meter) spacing recommendation is based on. Of course there are exceptions, cases such as downwind from an infected, coughing patient on a gusty day I suppose. Also, note that a vapor is not the same as an aerosol (I've seen a lot of confusion on this point), in a vapor, liquid has completely changed its physical state from a liquid to a gas. A vapor cannot carry the viral particles.

Also there is concept of challenge. What microbiologists describe as a challenge is the minimum number of viral particles or bacteria cells required to cause an infection. Exposure to numbers of organisms below the challenge level will not generally result in establishing an infection. Of course this challenge level will differ for differing organisms, route of administration and individual people, but these challenge numbers tend to be in the exponential range, i.e. you can get infected by exposure to a single or a few organisms.

As a Career Scientist with two a major medical device companies, I love experiments - i.e. generating my own evidence where possible. If you want to do your own experiment to see for yourself and make up your own mind, take a spray bottle like you might use to mist plants. Hold up a piece of barrier material (cloth or mask) so that you can see both sides of it. Now spray one side and observe how much of the aerosol goes through the barrier material. You can even compare different materials to see which is a better aerosol barrier. Another experiment is to just spray the aerosol horizontally into the air and observe how far it travels.

great information. Thank YOU sir.

bigbob · May 8, 2020

Checkswrecks said:
HEY!
I resemble that remark!

Yes you do, but we like you anyway.

SHUMBA · May 9, 2020

WJBertrand said:
Nothing is 100%, it’s all down to reducing odds.

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Agree, but reducing the odds as you put it it a good thing. On another note, but to reduce the odds of an accident or crash in this case.. what can one do to reduce the odds or chances of having an accident.
Here's my spin:
1.) Maintain your bike (brakes and tyres.)
2.) Wear hi-viz PROTECTIVE GEAR, boots, pants with armor, jacket with armor, quality riding gloves and of course an approved helmet.
3.) Avoid riding at night...critters.
4.) Never drink and ride.
So we can be safer in several ways.
The average rider has a greater chance of death or injury than contracting CV-19
SHUMBA

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fredz43 · May 9, 2020

That lady is a fake anti vaxxer.

Cantab · May 10, 2020

fredz43 said:
That lady is a fake anti vaxxer.

He's fake ...

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