YTZ14S overheat

arjayes

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I'm finally getting around to resurrecting my Tenere that has been sitting idle for the better part of two years. I fired it up periodically over that time and even replaced the stale gasoline in the tank about a year ago. But it's been probably at least 9 months since I last fired it up.

I turned the ignition key yesterday and got nothing. Battery totally dead, so I put it on the charger (Optimate6). The charger went into the save/desulphate mode for a couple of hours (as expected with a drained battery) then moved on to the normal charge mode and I let that go overnight. I checked it a couple of times this morning and all looked good, so I let it continue to charge.

Early afternoon I was in the garage doing other stuff with my wife and we started to hear a high-pitched whine, like some kind of electronic tone. I finally isolated it to the right panel of the Tenere where the battery sits. Disconnected the charger and the whine stopped within 30 seconds or so. I should have done some further inspecting immediately but instead decided to see if the bike would start. It did, somewhat sluggishly, and I was going to let it run long enough to warm up so I could change the oil. But the high-pitched whine started again quickly and much louder than before (even over the engine noise), then I started to get a weird smell like rubber or plastic getting very hot. I killed the bike and removed the right side cover (with some trepidation!). Not surprisingly the battery was extremely hot. And the whining continued unabated. I found a fan and blasted air directly on it and that calmed things down after a minute or so.

I assume the whining was the battery outgassing. If anyone knows better I'd love to hear what else would cause this. For some reason I thought the Optimate charger would detect a defective battery and stop charging it before anything bad happened, but apparently that is not the case. I feel lucky that I was in the garage when the whining started and that it didn't happen overnight or while I was away from the house.

Clearly the battery is shot and needs to be replaced. But more importantly, this was a pretty scary episode that I naively did not think would happen with an AGM (non-lithium) battery and a modern smart battery charger.
 

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No idea if the whine you heard was the battery outgassing. AGM batteries do have vents, but naturally any gas vented represents lost fluid that you can't put back in a sealed battery. The Optimate should have shut off if it was shorting or had other issues. You're sort of supposed to leave the Optimate plugged in when storing the bike, it is a maintenance charger, after all. I have (Optimate 3's.)

What electrical accessories do you have installed? I'm looking for the reason the battery was dead in the first place. Cause and effect and all. If there is some drain on the electrical system it would be good to know. If the battery has a fault and the Optimate was desulfating at the higher amperage rate for that, it could explain some of the heat. If the battery had a short in one of the plates and it wasn't detected by the Optimate, or occurred during charging, that might explain the rapid heating and possible out gassing.
 

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Thanks, Eric. Your expertise is always appreciated. You're right about the maintenance charge, but I used to serve on submarines and have a healthy respect for the destructive power of batteries. I never liked the idea of leaving a battery plugged into a charger long-term unattended.

There should be no electrical loads on the battery when the ignition is off, which it was. I have a EB PC-8 + relay installed that all of my accessory loads run off of. The bike has sat for long stretches before and never failed to fire up on the first try. The battery was awesome until yesterday. I'll have to do some digging to see if I can figure out what happened.
 

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Thanks, Eric. Your expertise is always appreciated. You're right about the maintenance charge, but I used to serve on submarines and have a healthy respect for the destructive power of batteries. I never liked the idea of leaving a battery plugged into a charger long-term unattended.

There should be no electrical loads on the battery when the ignition is off, which it was. I have a EB PC-8 + relay installed that all of my accessory loads run off of. The bike has sat for long stretches before and never failed to fire up on the first try. The battery was awesome until yesterday. I'll have to do some digging to see if I can figure out what happened.
I agree, respect for batteries is a Good Thing™. :)

Yes, there should be no electrical loads on the battery when the ignition is off, except that there are. That's what keeps the clock time right, etc. Dark Current.

Here's a thought. I have used the PC-8 too and understand how you're describing the install. Some load drained that battery to dead. My suspicion is a relay. When a relay sticks, and vibration tends to cause that sometimes, you can end up with a load when you shouldn't have one. Some times it's as simple as the relay clicks on, then doesn't shut off when power is removed from the switch side of the relay. BTDT.

What if the relay for the PC-8 stuck? What would have been left powered when the ignition was off? It only takes a small draw/load to drain a battery and the small draws are the worst in terms of trickling a battery's cells down to a damaged state.

Check all the aftermarket relays on the bike first. Cycle and see if power remains or remains briefly. Or do a known good part swap if you only have the one relay to consider and bench test the relay.
 

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9 months with no charging is pretty long. Just about any vehicle I have ever owned would have a dead battery after that amount of time without any charging and the battery not disconnected.
How old is the battery ?
 

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If the recharge voltage was high enough to outgas an AGM then there are two places I'd look. The first is for a new battery. While AGM batteries do have vents, if it was pressurized enough to whistle, at least one cell has been damaged. It'd be interesting to know what the battery voltage currently is.

The second would be checking the output voltage of the charger. The thing AGMs least like and the most likely to do damage is overcharging. IIRC - SEEMS to me (double weasel words) that the max you want to apply is between 14.1 and 14.3 volts.

And charging voltage can be fooled by resistance at the connection of the clips. If the terminals have a layer of oxide creating resistance, the charger may think it needs to increase the charge.

If not using the bike for prolonged periods, disconnect one of the battery cables and wipe off the top of the battery to prevent surface leakage. A charged AGM can sit for months.
 

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Sounds to me like the battery sulfated from sitting too long. Once a battery gets over sulfated, a lot of times even a desulfating battery charger can't desulfate it and the battery will build up excessive heat.
 

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Thanks for all the comments. I do own an awesome multimeter. I was an electrician in the Navy (long time ago) and I've been an electrical engineer for 30 years, so I have some sleuthing skills. I'm just lazy about applying them sometimes! I'll measure the battery voltage and will check cabling, connections, loads, etc.

I'm already trying to buy another YTZ14S but I bought the last one from Summit Racing and they now list apparently the same battery under some non-existent Yuasa part number. Maybe it's a custom part # just for Summit? I don't know, but I have an email into them to make sure I buy the right battery.
 

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Quick update. The old battery is sitting at less than 5V. Shockingly low. Obviously heavily damaged. The new YTZ14S is at 12.77V out of the box. I have not finished checking for stealth loads in the electrical system but so far all looks good.

By the way, I received the new battery from Summit next day with free shipping. Nothing but good to say about them after two transactions.
 

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I just replaced my battery today too. My bike has been sitting a lot, and I while I don't keep it on a tender all the time, I do top them up occasionally.
I rode up to Anza last weekend and I didn't think it was going to start a couple of times. I left it on the tender overnight, then let it sit for a couple of hours and it would only measure 12.1 volts. Probably let it sit to long in a discharged state.
Oh well. it's only my 3rd since 2011.
 

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I picked up a 14s at advanced auto 3 years ago. I've got a habit of running mine dead about every 2 months from killing my bike with the sidestand. I've been doin that since I rode a 84 RZ350. It's still fires right up. $100
 
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