sheikyerbooty
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Lotto? World tour? In 2o23? CBX500?
You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?
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scott123007
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I know you were just trying to be funny with the above comment, and not that it matters to most of us here because there is limited interest in owning one, BUT, if it is any consolation, this engine actually has VALVE SPRINGS instead of being a Desmo!
sheikyerbooty
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thughes317
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Oh, I get that.......I was just opining on the cost for valve check on a V4 at Ducati dealership rates.
Streethawk
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Following a demo ride, the V85 TT was almost the final pick for my ADV machine. Obviously my 2016 ES won, but man, it was close! If it had a higher seat height, I would have owned it (provided I could procure a diagnostic tool for at home servicing). It has everything I love about the Super Tenere, in a much more practical package (imo). Fun to ride with gobs of character! I still haven't completely removed it from "the list", so ya never know. Could end up in ye olde moto garage one day ;-)
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Streethawk
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Belated congratulations!! Best version of the big Tiger to date!! Wishing you two many smiles and miles together!It followed me home today.
Streethawk
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Very interesting opinion. To me, it seems that Yamaha is banking bold new graphics only updates, on the seemingly niche/pragmatic Super Tenere demographic. Hey, that's me!I agree with your assessment, it makes business sense.... Something doesn't feel right though with Yamaha, here are just two examples. The FJR has be stale since 2008, so for 15 years they have monkeyed around with this same bike. Yes, they have taken some hand controls from other machines, and given it cruise off other machines in the last 15 years..... Thats lame...... The FJR is still 98% the same for 15 years. Im not saying its not a good machine, or was a good machine, its old and the world has advanced. They have not added or changed any note worthy changes to it (IMOP). Look at our Tenere first introduced in Europe in 2010, now 13 years old. And really the list goes on, with MANY more details of course.
Once I again, I really like Yamaha, but when your an average consumer takes a look at the line, what really stands out other than the two sport bikes (600-1000) and the two motocross bikes (250-450)? IMOP, when you look at the rest of there offerings compared to the other 4-5-6 brands, its somewhat boring. Being sarcastic, it's like buying a 10 year old computer and next year it has a fancy cover with LED lights and a glass panel so you can see the fan...... yea, SO WHAT, (Uummmm NO, that's an old ass computer with a new cover and color. What does this sound like) The hardware and software is 10 + years old. The hardware / software are 15-FJR / 13-STT1200 years old on these two bikes, is it not? I think the consumer is NOT the same consumer as 10-15 years ago. They are easily informed and there are a TON of avenues to learn about your new 'vehicle' you're interested in. The average buyer is much smarter than 15 + years ago. (generally)
For me, when I take this for face value and go look at virtually any of the other brands they have a much more updated line up. And it's NOT just frosting paint color with a new sticker on it. I guess Im just disappointed deep down because I want something they are not going to produce. And honestly looks as if they dont really care about several of the segments that I enjoy. I will have to move on to another brand and go with that brand. They will provide what Im wanting and keep the product updated, modern, and what Im looking for. (These are modern features that many of the touring ADV bikes all have these days). Yamaha is ASLEEP,........... WAKE UP ! Hello ????? Are you awake?????? Hello?????
NOPE, STILL ASLEEP.......................................................................................
And to tick me off even more, they have arguably the best dirt bike (motocross) on then market today. Evidently the motor is tremendous. Along with the new R1M1 & R6. Ive read has fantastic motor and some of the very best in electronics. They could pull technology from dirt bike and software and hardware from these departments and have a new "big adventure" bike to rival the top three brands? They have the parts, they have the people, they have the brand loyalty. Why are they throwing the loyalty in the trash? They must be use to it, they threw their entire cruiser STAR line consumer base in the waste basket. I seriously don't get it.
Seriously though, if it were true otherwise, I believe there'd be sensible, non-dealership tethering updates; much like those done for the FJ-09, Tracer 900, Tracer 9, Tracer 9 GT, Tracer 9 GT+. I say this only because ADV bikes (big bore and super mids) are still popular sellers.
I'm wondering if the reason Yam hasn't upgraded the Tenere and maybe FJR is because of EURO5, the European pollution standard which became more stringent a year ago.
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I am and have been a Yamaha fan and waited for a new Super Tenere. The Tenere is a 2009 design and sells in low numbers; the basic FJR engine goes back 23 years to about 2000! To get either up to EURO5 would probably take a substantial amount of engine redesign. Then they'd need to shoot for a substantial horsepower increase to be competitive again. Plus a huge upgrade in other features, starting with electronics. My guess is that these just don't add up to selling enough new bikes to justify on a cost-return basis.
What You Need to Know About Euro 5 Emission Standards for Motorcycles
With EICMA taking place next week, we're now well into new model season and youll probably hear a few mentions of Euro 5 emission standards.
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I am and have been a Yamaha fan and waited for a new Super Tenere. The Tenere is a 2009 design and sells in low numbers; the basic FJR engine goes back 23 years to about 2000! To get either up to EURO5 would probably take a substantial amount of engine redesign. Then they'd need to shoot for a substantial horsepower increase to be competitive again. Plus a huge upgrade in other features, starting with electronics. My guess is that these just don't add up to selling enough new bikes to justify on a cost-return basis.
The Guzzidiag software is free and pretty easy to use.
And of course, there's that. I remember when I was drooling over Moto Guzzi back in the '80s. My dad said the same basic thing.
Streethawk
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Forgot to mention that the Harley Davidson Pan America and its hydraulically adjusted valves, has piqued my curiosity. Especially in this trim! I took a pic of this bad boy at a recent track day. I plan on demo riding a Pan America in the coming weeks.
I took a pic of this bad boy at a recent track day. I plan on demo riding a Pan America in the coming weeks.
Streethawk
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Gotta delete most of that subframe when going from DOT to full on track bike mode I suppose. Especially on a hefty beast like the PA
And that's the other thing. That motor has a ton of potential. Put it in an appropriate frame. A Harley sport bike? I think there'd be line to buy it.. . . . Especially on a hefty beast like the PA
TenereJourneyMan
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Hey “Streethawk”,Forgot to mention that the Harley Davidson Pan America and its hydraulically adjusted valves, has piqued my curiosity. Especially in this trim!
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I see the appeal, for a lot of different reasons
.I have been keeping a close eye on availability and pricing in the used market for the HD Pan America (in the Reno/NorCal/West Coast area). For the longest time there was very little availability, but now there seems to be an ever-growing supply.
Below is a 2022, fully loaded for $18,000. That is the most screaming deal for a fully farkled adventure bike of this type. And, it has less than 4000 miles on it!
The following search brought up 8 HD Pan Americas in this submarket:
reno motorcycles/scooters "pan america" - craigslist
reno motorcycles/scooters "pan america" - craigslist
Or, try typing this into your search:
Even if you bought this farkled HD Pan America and stripped it down for track use… Think of the amount of track tires and other track related upgrades you could make to the motorcycle once you sold off all the Farkle’s.!
Happy Hunting/Testing!
I've been having this conversation frequently with a friend who sold his DL-650 and really wanted a new Tiger 1200. In the end, I was able to find him a low mileage R1150GS in need of some love for $2000 and talked him into giving that a try before dumping $30K+ (factoring in interest on a bike loan) to have the Tiger.
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At that point I'd much rather have the Super Tenere. I have a Tiger 1200 GT Pro and while it's great, there is nothing wrong with the Tenere and it's a lot more reliable than that BMW.
tntmo
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The HD Pan American has a honey of an engine, I did a test ride when they first came out and was impressed with the bike. I see them around as often as I do the Super Tenere, which is to say almost never. I wonder how they are faring as far as reliability?