won't start in gear

[Tenman]

Neutral light works. New clutch switch.

 

[Nikolajsen]

I just quickly read the first page, and did not find whether it cranks or not.
So, does it cranks when you try to start in gear.
(sorry if this is mentioned on page 1)

 

[Squibb]

Neutral light works. New clutch switch.

Assuming the previous fault code was cleared using the diagnostics menu after fitting the new clutch switch, have you checked for fault codes again?

 

[EricV]

I suspect squarebore is correct. Side stand switch, neutral switch & clutch switch should be about it. In terms of signals that would prevent starting in gear.

Some of these are known to be multiple circuits inside the same housing.

If you start the bike in neutral, clutch pull, then put it in gear while the side stand is down, does it still kill the engine?

Even if the neutral light show as normal, the switch may be sticking. Off hand, I don't remember where the neutral switch is located.

I'd find and clean both. You already swapped out the clutch switch. WD40 is your friend.

 

[Tenman]

Side stand switch works. Neutral light works. I unplugged the Mccruise from the NEW clutch switch and tried it. No joy. I checked all my fuses while I was at it. Don't know where the nuetral switch is. I'm gonna see if I can find one on a parts schematic. Thanx for any and all input.

 

[Tenman]

Assuming the previous fault code was cleared using the diagnostics menu after fitting the new clutch switch, have you checked for fault codes again?

I never saw a fault code. I did find a neutral switch on a schematic. Its on the left side somewhere above the footpeg. I can't see anything that looks like it without lifting the tank.

 

[Jlq1969]

how to deactivate the cruise, use the brake, have a deactivated button, or can you deactivate it also with the clutch?

 

[Jlq1969]

Try to start in 2nd, or other gear?...

 

[Tenman]

If anybody see's the neutral switch on their bike. Post a picture of where it is

 

[Jlq1969]

If anybody see's the neutral switch on their bike. Post a picture of where it is

But, I think that the neutral switch isn’t the real problem. Perhaps something wrong in cruise/clutch jump

 

[Tenman]

According to those instructions. It's a clutch switch. I've just replaced the clutch switch. The cruise still works fine. If I touch the clutch it will disengage. I found that same schematic for the neutral switch. But I haven't found it on my bike.

 

[EricV]

Just to be clear, as described in earlier posts, the bike normally will not start in gear unless both the clutch lever is pulled and the side stand is up. Either of those prevent the start. With a new clutch switch, and the apparent functioning side stand switch, that would leave only the neutral switch as unknown, though you are seeing the neutral light, which would seemingly indicate it is functioning.

A couple of thoughts; Some code needs to be cleared for it to return to functioning. The new clutch switch is also bad, (it happens).

How often do you start in gear? It seems very odd that it won't start in gear with the clutch in and side stand up. That's essentially normal riding conditions. I have stalled the bike and re-started by pulling in the clutch and hitting the start button while still moving along at low speeds. That's about the only time I start in gear with the side stand up. On rare occasions I park in gear and will just clutch in, side stand up to start, but it's simple enough to pop it into neutral when parked.

 

[Jlq1969]

I think it's not the neutral swicth. only serves to mark the neutral, which is good because it starts in neutral, once it leaves the neutral, the switch is interrupted, and only serve as a pulse counter to indicate the selected gear if it had it. but in any position that is not neutral, the switch would be interrupted and pull clutch lever would be necessary to close circuit again and start engine in gear
For probe neutral switch, try to start engine in gear “whithout pull lever clucth” obviously carefully....
If you changed the switch and it still does not work, maybe it's the cable of the lever pull switch. the cable of the cruise off, we know it's fine because it disconnects

 

[EricV]

At the end of the day, most problems we have go back to the last thing we did to the bike. I've got some experience with a McCruise unit, but not on the Super Ten. Lets just say I am suspicious of any connection from the McCruise.

First, please clarify. The bike won't start in gear with the clutch lever pulled in and the side stand up? Is this correct?

Next, the side stand is just an open/close circuit. Unplug it and on the harness side make a jumper wire that connects both of the pins from the harness to each other. This should tell the bike that the side stand is up.

Then see what happens. See if the bike will now start in gear with the clutch in. If so, something is flaky in the side stand switch.

Gen I bikes may not have the double switch in the clutch switch. No factory CC, so not needed, (I think).

You replaced Switch 3GM-83980-00-00? Gen II uses a different part number.

 

[gv550]

I had a similar condition a few years ago with my , ahem..... KLR.
All 3 switches initially checked out OK, and the green light did come on when in neutral, but digging deeper I found high resistance across the neutral switch. After cutting the switch apart I found a shellac-like coating on the contacts. I'm guessing there was enough volts to operate the light but not enough for the ECU. New neutral switch solved the problem.

 

[Jlq1969]

Or change it to a new S10 0km 2019, I'm sure the problem will disappear

 

[Tenman]

At the end of the day, most problems we have go back to the last thing we did to the bike. I've got some experience with a McCruise unit, but not on the Super Ten. Lets just say I am suspicious of any connection from the McCruise.

First, please clarify. The bike won't start in gear with the clutch lever pulled in and the side stand up? Is this correct?

Next, the side stand is just an open/close circuit. Unplug it and on the harness side make a jumper wire that connects both of the pins from the harness to each other. This should tell the bike that the side stand is up.

Then see what happens. See if the bike will now start in gear with the clutch in. If so, something is flaky in the side stand switch.

Gen I bikes may not have the double switch in the clutch switch. No factory CC, so not needed, (I think).

You replaced Switch 3GM-83980-00-00? Gen II uses a different part number.

Won't start with the clutch pulled in gear sidestand up. The cruise has been working fine. A guy on his Harley ask me why I was having to find neutral to start. He said all those jap bikes have too much shit on them. I'm gonna see about the fault codes. Haven't ever had to do it before.

 

[Jlq1969]

Won't start with the clutch pulled in gear sidestand up. The cruise has been working fine. A guy on his Harley ask me why I was having to find neutral to start. He said all those jap bikes have too much shit on them. I'm gonna see about the fault codes. Haven't ever had to do it before.

Please, show to this guy this video,

and send a picture of his face before and after seeing it

 

[EricV]

Jump the side stand switch wires. Then see if it will start in gear with the clutch in.

 

[Jlq1969]

Jump the side stand switch wires. Then see if it will start in gear with the clutch in.

It is like the most important switch because it has the ability to stop the engine even with the clutch pull, in gear obviously