Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 91 37.0%
  • no

    Votes: 24 9.8%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 21 8.5%
  • heck no

    Votes: 30 12.2%
  • BTDT - Got the shot

    Votes: 80 32.5%

  • Total voters
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Checkswrecks

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... if you keep testing huge numbers of people, you inevitably keep identifying tens of thousands who have it (even though the vast majority are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms).
If your strategy is preventing anyone from getting it, you inevitably keep failing ...
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This much I'll agree with.
As for the rest . . .

Where in the f**k are you getting your information? Unless the people of the UK are completely different than everybody else. Some of those hospitalized have been vaccinated; most are not. Children are not immune, and this is not just a cold. And, I think you've confused the survivability percentage with no symptoms. Because if 90% of the people had little/no symptoms, they would not be going into the hospitals.

If you and your friends have caught it, had no symptoms, and recovered. . . . good for you. I've had too many friends die from it. And, I know numerous others that have survived, and would disagree with your no symptoms claim.
THIS!
 

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I respect the fact that people have the choice. But, it's hard to respect people that won't get the vaccine when: 1) The vaccine is not a guarantee to prevent the virus; 94%-ish effective. Vaccinated people are catching the virus, but not getting as sick as the unvaccinated. 2) My grandchildren are too young to get the vaccination, and are therefore at risk.



That is the case around here; likely everywhere. The media put out that 95% of those in the hospital(s), are the unvaccinated, and children.
I agree !
 

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Children are fundamentally immune to covid, that’s why our virologists have recommended that they’re not vaccinated - we may do so for political reasons, but not medical ones. I haven’t seen any reports of a child dying from covid.

Hospitalisation numbers are way overstated - we include those people who are given an anti-viral injection and kept in overnight (discharged the following morning) so the hospital can claim funds from central government as covid admissions.

We’re also massively overstating deaths from covid - the vast majority have chronic underlying conditions - everything from chronic pulmonary conditions, heart disease, old age, chronic obesity, the list goes on. Hardly any deaths actually caused by covid alone - most catch it once they’ve gone into hospital for their underlying illnesses.

I understand the emotions surrounding covid, but there is also a need for a sense of proportion and healthy skepticism about what the media feeds us.
 

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Children are fundamentally immune to covid, that’s why our virologists have recommended that they’re not vaccinated - we may do so for political reasons, but not medical ones. I haven’t seen any reports of a child dying from covid.
There is a huge difference between not dying from a disease (mortality) and not getting a disease (immunity), particularly when the disease is known to have possible long term side effects. In the US there have been 486 deaths of children under 18 ( https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3).

Children under 18 make up 13.7% of cases, that's over 4 million cases. (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics)
 

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1) Children are fundamentally immune to covid, that’s why our virologists have recommended that they’re not vaccinated - we may do so for political reasons, but not medical ones. I haven’t seen any reports of a child dying from covid.

2) Hospitalisation numbers are way overstated - we include those people who are given an anti-viral injection and kept in overnight (discharged the following morning) so the hospital can claim funds from central government as covid admissions.

3) We’re also massively overstating deaths from covid - the vast majority have chronic underlying conditions - everything from chronic pulmonary conditions, heart disease, old age, chronic obesity, the list goes on. Hardly any deaths actually caused by covid alone - most catch it once they’ve gone into hospital for their underlying illnesses.

4) I understand the emotions surrounding covid, but there is also a need for a sense of proportion and healthy skepticism about what the media feeds us.
1) Children are not immune, their lungs are healthier. The last report I saw is that there are no ICU bed available in our children only hospitals. If kids are immune, that wouldn't be the case. I have seen several new reports where children have died from the virus.

2) Our media is reporting on ICU bed specifically, and regular hospitalization. My wife niece has the virus right now. When she went to the hospital. . . . there were no beds available; no politics. My D.I.L. has an aunt that got flown to Arkansas because there were no local hospital rooms available; no politics. Yes, there is government money for covid cases.

3) Yes, the death number are skewed. But, it really doesn't matter. . . . those people are still dead. . . . no politics involved. For example: a 78 year old person with serious chronic health issues catches the virus and dies. Your argument is that they were going to die anyway, so it shouldn't be labeled as a covid death. Eventually true, but they died from their conditions now, because of covid.

4) I am the sheepdog, not the sheep. I question everything I hear. (pisses my wife off) I have friends and family in the health field, in addition to the ones currently suffering from the virus. From first responder(s) to hospital workers. That's where I'm getting my info. . . . not just the media.

My opinion: your claims, and statements are starting to smell like a troll.
 

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Children are fundamentally immune to covid, that’s why our virologists have recommended that they’re not vaccinated - we may do so for political reasons, but not medical ones. I haven’t seen any reports of a child dying from covid.

Hospitalisation numbers are way overstated - we include those people who are given an anti-viral injection and kept in overnight (discharged the following morning) so the hospital can claim funds from central government as covid admissions.

We’re also massively overstating deaths from covid - the vast majority have chronic underlying conditions - everything from chronic pulmonary conditions, heart disease, old age, chronic obesity, the list goes on. Hardly any deaths actually caused by covid alone - most catch it once they’ve gone into hospital for their underlying illnesses.

I understand the emotions surrounding covid, but there is also a need for a sense of proportion and healthy skepticism about what the media feeds us.
Wow, just wow. I didn’t think it possible…


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I too support free choice. I do not follow blindly. And, depending on your definition of "follow the science", I do. Fact: the vaccine reduces/prevents death by covid. (no guarantee) The vaccine reduces/prevents symptoms of covid if a person is infected. Opinions that I've heard: vaccine is developed/used by the government to use against the citizens, used to track the citizens, and, it will kill you later down the road. The only legitimate reason/concern that I've heard not to receive the vaccine? Unknown side affects in the future. It's true, we don't/can't know long term issues it might cause. But, that's a moot point if the virus kills you. And, the longer it hangs around . . . . the better the chance that you will run into a mutation/strain that the vaccine doesn't work against.

I support personal freedoms. But, it seems silly that another person's freedom of not getting a proven safe vaccine, could one day infringe on my personal freedom . . . .and kill me.
 

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If the vaccine and mask worked why would you care if I refused. The Wizards of Smart in charge have no idea what they are doing. Tony could not answer a simple question on natural and developed immunity today. This is about money and control not public safety. The history on viruses is the mutate themselves into extinction.
 

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........it seems silly that another person's freedom of not getting a proven safe vaccine, could one day infringe on my personal freedom . . . .and kill me.
You kind of make a an argument against the "proven safe" thing in your own statement:

The only legitimate reason/concern that I've heard not to receive the vaccine? Unknown side affects in the future. It's true, we don't/can't know long term issues it might cause.
Don't get me wrong, I made the choice to accept the risks and get vaxed.....just pointing out the kind of contradictions that those choosing not to get the shot are using as their argument. Again, I believe it should be a personal choice, not mandated by the government. Hopefully Darwin will address the issue before we all get the coof and die.
 

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You kind of make a an argument against the "proven safe" thing in your own statement:. . . .
Yeah, I could have written it better. What I meant is that although the vaccine reduces/prevents . . . . it does not guarantee you won't get it. The longer the virus remains present, the better your chance of catching it. Kinda like playing Russian roulette. . . . the more you play. . . . the worse your odds get.
 

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If the vaccine and mask worked why would you care if I refused. The Wizards of Smart in charge have no idea what they are doing. Tony could not answer a simple question on natural and developed immunity today. This is about money and control not public safety. The history on viruses is the mutate themselves into extinction.
Masks and the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee. Never has been. SMFH
 

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pooh and xtine said:
"Children are fundamentally immune to covid, that’s why our virologists have recommended that they’re not vaccinated - we may do so for political reasons, but not medical ones. I haven’t seen any reports of a child dying from covid. "

Actually, the reason children have not been approved for vaccination yet is because they have not been part of any early study group testing the vaccines for safety and efficacy. For reasons both practical and emotional, Children have historically been tested last when the risks associated with a particular drug/treatment are better defined and understood.

On point article in Thursday's NY Times

 
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The purveyors of misinformation that said folks were going to die off en-mass within 3-6 months of receiving the vaccine have now changed their tune to 1-2 years when that didn’t happen.

Folks are so insecure that they fear appearing to be sheep if they get the vaccine, when In fact they are just following a different flock.


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Yeah, I could have written it better. What I meant is that although the vaccine reduces/prevents . . . . it does not guarantee you won't get it. The longer the virus remains present, the better your chance of catching it. Kinda like playing Russian roulette. . . . the more you play. . . . the worse your odds get.
Which brings up the question of semantics: a vaccine provides immunity from a disease (https://www.britannica.com/science/vaccine). The current "vaccine" actually falls under the definition of a therapeutic, as it does not provide immunity. Again, not making a case for anti-vaxers, just looking at all sides of the debate.
 
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