Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 91 37.0%
  • no

    Votes: 24 9.8%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 21 8.5%
  • heck no

    Votes: 30 12.2%
  • BTDT - Got the shot

    Votes: 80 32.5%

  • Total voters
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Eville Rich

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There seems to be a feeling that somehow getting the vaccine is a right for them over others. In my view, what really matters is whether an individual is in a group more succeptible to COVID or in a living situation that puts you at greater is catching and passing it on. So I'm fine with inmates, farm workers, and others at greater risk of spreading COVID getting the shot ahead of me. It's a public health issue not an issue about priveledge based on self-defined worth. That jack-hole in Florida that magically made a $250k bribe (I mean "campaign contribution") to get his wealthy community vaccinated ahead of others is a symptom of the entitlement attitude. With limited vaccine, this puts everyone else at greater risk. But selfishness is considered a virtue by some.

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. . . . On a more humorous note - PJs, rescue swimmers, & JSOCs don't need no shots because the bugs know better and because their skin is so tough that needles bend. ;)
I understand that this is humor, but, considering that doctors can't can't tell who will have minor symptoms, and who will die. . . . nobody is safe. I will concede that personal fitness does seem to be a factor. But, we all have heard of very healthy/fit people that have passed, and overweight couch potatoes have breezed through.
 
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ballisticexchris

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So I'm fine with inmates, farm workers, and others at greater risk of spreading COVID getting the shot ahead of me.
I'm not. Problem is they are not at a greater risk spreading it if they are kept in place.
 

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Got second Moderna shot this morning, for some reason the needle stick was painful this time, last time I hardly noticed it.
Same required 15 minute wait to leave after the the shot, the pain from the shot went away but I got a headache that lasted a couple hours but it went away completely. Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
 

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Apparently it's up to each individual state to prioritize the vaccine distribution. I can only imagine what a logistical nightmare this must be. They don't have much notice on when and how many doses they will receive. We have seen many problems with the supply shortage, shipping, storage, weather, scheduling etc... Then it must be distributed to all the actual providers. Around here (Wisconsin) the prisons and meat processing plants were hit hard. I'm OK with the essential workers, teachers, nurses, doctors, people 65+, nursing homes, inmates and other high risk individuals getting the vaccine first. I also think active military should be vaccinated first, especially those serving on ships and subs.

I'd like to go get a shot right now, but until my number comes up I'll just suck it up and wait my turn.
 
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ballisticexchris

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Apparently it's up to each individual state to prioritize the vaccine distribution. I can only imagine what a logistical nightmare this must be.
The logistics and distribution were all in place back in November/December. Unfortunately we now have idiots who have decided to change everything and make the distribution process more difficult for those at high risk.

If you work at McDonald's and 16 years old you can go get the vaccine. If you are a 62 year old renal patient at risk of dying tough crap you don't qualify.

Don't take my word for it. Go on on our stupid government website as required starting today to be put in the queue: https://myturn.ca.gov/?utm_source=standalone&utm_medium=email_free&utm_campaign=sp21-5149_c19_ptcom_biweeklyvaccmar6&utm_content=5149

Test it out and you will see it makes no sense how these jerks that run our state are distributing the vaccine.
 

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Got second Moderna shot this morning, for some reason the needle stick was painful this time, last time I hardly noticed it.
Same required 15 minute wait to leave after the the shot, the pain from the shot went away but I got a headache that lasted a couple hours but it went away completely. Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
I keep hearing about the second shot wiping people out for 2-3 days. Today was day 4 for Karen's Mom (88) and she's still having issues. I will have to teach the day after shot #2 & have no substitute so am crossing my fingers that I won't be hit too bad. Will see when the time comes if I can schedule for afternoon after the class.

Would appreciate letting us know how you get along.
 

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I like that they are letting people decide which one they can get. I prefer the more effective, percentage wise, version. Some don't want the two shot version. I also think that the J&J is perfect for out-a-the-way places that don't have the access to super refrigerators.
I like that people have the choice too. That said, something to understand about the efficacy rates of the different vaccines is that each study for that vaccine was done at a different point in time, different areas of the world and different spread levels of coronavirus. The Pfizer and Moderna studies were done before these new variations were out there, so it isn't really known how well they do against the new strains, compared directly to the J&J vaccine. Considering that all of them greatly mitigate the severity of Covid if you get it, any vaccine you can get, as soon as you have the opportunity, is better than catching Covid-19 w/o having received a vaccine first.
 

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The logistics and distribution were all in place back in November/December. Unfortunately we now have idiots who have decided to change everything and make the distribution process more difficult for those at high risk.

If you work at McDonald's and 16 years old you can go get the vaccine. If you are a 62 year old renal patient at risk of dying tough crap you don't qualify.

Don't take my word for it. Go on on our stupid government website as required starting today to be put in the queue: https://myturn.ca.gov/?utm_source=standalone&utm_medium=email_free&utm_campaign=sp21-5149_c19_ptcom_biweeklyvaccmar6&utm_content=5149

Test it out and you will see it makes no sense how these jerks that run our state are distributing the vaccine.
The website quits on me with not being in a California county

BUT

You are wrong or just not staying up to date.

First off, the original California plans to put homeless and incarcerated individuals in the 2nd tier were DROPPED in January after the vaccinations began in only a few of the prisons. The priority is now age-based regardless of being a prisoner or not.

More important and immediate is that your wife having a renal failure absolutely appears eligible on March 15. Talk to her doctor's office for a referral.

As for you if you personally don't meet one of the medical conditions, tell her office that you are her caregiver and ask for a referral for yourself. I saw it in one of those links. I've personally seen and know people who got the shot just because they helped an older person get one and it was the end of the day.

And even if that doesn't work, I already provided a link to show how with only 4 hours of service you can get a shot.
 

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I'm not joking one bit and sadly you are spot on. I live in one of the most corrupt states in our country. The public officials in my state are taking the taxes from the healthy workers and using it to support the bums and the dregs. The vaccine is being distributed the same way.

Here is an example of the COVID corruption here. I had to get a COVID test at a super site. I was 100% honest and forthright when filling out the online application. It had an option for if you have medical insurance or not. I did, so I put in my insurance info. I was billed 350.00 for the test. If you do not have insurance and are a homeless welfare bum, then the taxpayer picks up the tab.




Unfortunately Bob, we do. After you have child close to you get molested or someone close to you murdered and the person is either not convicted or is released and allowed to live a good life then you might see things different. Undocumented farm workers living in cramped quarters have made a choice to come into this country and live that way. Homeless alcoholics and drug addicts made a choice as well.

None of the above deserve to be put at the head of the line for the vaccine. Millions of hard working, senior, military veterans, and medically challenged US citizens are being shoved into a corner and told they have to wait for this vaccine. Any way you spin it it's not right.
All of which highlights the advantage of a free at the point of delivery National Health Service like the UKs. But then you wouldn’t like that because you’d be too worried that someone who hadn’t paid as much as you in might get something free...


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The logistics and distribution were all in place back in November/December
That's not entirely true. Most of the chain stores with pharmacies, like Wal Mart, CVS, Walgreens, and Pick n Save, were not included in the distribution process until recently. Maybe things are different in California. Even though they are ready to give out shots the lack of supply is still the limiting factor in Wisconsin.

Hang in there. We made it this far. Hopefully in another month or 2 we'll all be vaccinated.
 

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I have to agree with Chris. Around the Nov/Dec time frame, when the the emergency approval was all but certain, the media announced that CVS & Walgreens were already in discussion with the government on distribution. Then. . . . crickets. . . . like they had never started planning at all. Don't know what happened or who's fault it was . . . . don't care. . . . politics was sure to be involved. But, magic is right . . . . we're almost there.
 
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ballisticexchris

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More important and immediate is that your wife having a renal failure absolutely appears eligible on March 15. Talk to her doctor's office for a referral.
I wish it were true but we have hit a roadblock. I have tried every possible avenue and hit dead ends. Our doctors are doing everything they can to get it to us. It's just a waiting game right now.

First off, the original California plans to put homeless and incarcerated individuals in the 2nd tier were DROPPED in January after the vaccinations began in only a few of the prisons. The priority is now age-based regardless of being a prisoner or not.
It is possible I have not been kept up to date. Our governor changes the priority tier almost daily. It's crazy. Just the other day he visited poor neighborhoods of color and made those communities first priority. And as of just a day or two ago undocumented hispanics were given first tier priority. The CA government website is changing daily with each days public COVID address. My medical Email alerts are also coming in every day alerting me to putting my wife's vaccine on hold.

The media reporting is almost always 100% false or not up to date. The only accurate form of getting the inoculated right now is to go on the ever changing piece of crap myturn.ca.gov and hope you are able to get the vaccine. I will tell you a lot of my friends have just went on there and lied to get it. I was tempted but have decided to not use deception and lies like others do.

Believe me, being an honest citizen is doing me no favors right now. All we can do is buckle down, wear masks and distance ourselves from our family and others.

I have not hugged or kissed my mother and father for over a year now. The few times I have seen them was with masks on and through a screen door.
 

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don't post much here, but check in routinely to see if I need to know anything.

This turned up in my NYT Australia newsletter the other day and I thought it may be of interest:

LETTER 197
As a Doctor, I Was Skeptical About the Covid Vaccine. Then I Reviewed the Science.
By Amaali Lokuge
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The Australia Letter is a weekly newsletter from our Australia bureau. This week’s issue is written by Amaali Lokuge, a doctor at the Royal Melbourne Hospital.​
As the world records more than two and a half million deaths from the coronavirus and the United States celebrates over 50 million administered vaccines, here at the Royal Melbourne Hospital emergency department, as frontline workers, we scheduled ourselves for our first immunization this week. Australia has not recorded a coronavirus death for months now, and the little outbreaks we have peter out within days because of aggressive lockdowns and a compliant public. Given the low prevalence of disease, Australians have the luxury of choosing not to be vaccinated or to delay the vaccine until we are ready.​
Until last week, I wasn’t sure I would get the vaccine. Some media reports highlight that mRNA vaccines have never been approved for use in humans outside clinical trials, making it seem like a new technology that has not been tested before. The vaccines were developed at such speed, I couldn’t be sure that major side effects hadn’t been overlooked. I worried about autoimmunity caused by expressing the coronavirus spike proteins on my own cells.​
Skepticism runs deep in Australia, and anti-vaccine protests have popped up in many of our cities. Outside this vocal minority — which seems to oppose immunization based on theoretical and ideological rather than scientific concerns — it is difficult to gauge the popular mood. I get the sense that Australians feel obligated to be vaccinated, but privately many of us have reservations.​
Within the medical community, the misinformation that pervades the anti-vaccination movement makes it difficult to voice genuine concerns. Doing so attracts gentle ridicule from my colleagues — to them, I sound as though I have let go of my medical education.​
Every day in the emergency department, patients walk away from essential care against medical advice, and we watch them go with a shake of our heads and a rueful smile. Just like them, isolated with my doubts, I was ready to exercise my right to free will and refuse the vaccine. When my non-medical friends asked me about it, I was torn between telling them my concerns and playacting the doctor who recommends the latest proven therapy.​

The few to whom I revealed my worries looked at me in bewilderment: If a doctor didn’t trust the vaccine, how were they supposed to? It felt like a betrayal.​
The guilt I felt about this compelled me to objectively review the literature on mRNA vaccines. Not being an expert in virology or biochemistry, I realized I had to quickly master unfamiliar words like “transfection” and concepts about gene sequences. Slowly, the information I was devouring started changing my beliefs.​
I learned that research into using mRNA for vaccinations and cancer therapies has been ongoing for the past 30 years. Trial and error have refined this modality so that it was almost fully fledged by the time Covid hit. The mRNA from the vaccine is broken down quickly in our cells, and the coronavirus spike protein is expressed only transiently on the cell surface. Furthermore, this type of vaccine is harnessing a technique that viruses already use.​
It was humbling to have to change my mind. As I booked my vaccination time slot, I realized how lucky I am to have access to all this research, as well as the training to understand it.​
I wish that more of this information could be filtered out to members of the public so that they, too, could be as informed as we are. As medical professionals, we cannot afford to be paternalistic and trust that people will follow advice without all the facts. This is especially true in Australia, where the vast majority of us have never witnessed firsthand the ravages that this disease can inflict.​
Even though we are relatively safe now, the threat of overwhelming infections is constantly present. Winter is approaching, and people are letting their guard down. At the start of all this, I would have been cavalier to have imagined that we could escape the horrendous mortality the rest of the world would suffer, but the vaccines offer a glimmer of hope. They may or may not prevent transmission, but they will decrease severe infections, hospitalizations and deaths.​
Like all new converts, I am now a true believer: I’d like everyone to be vaccinated. But autonomy is a precious tenet of a free society, and I’m glad the ethicists have advised against mandating the vaccine. I just hope that with more robust discussion and the wider dissemination of scientific knowledge, we may sway people like me — who have what may be valid reservations — to get the vaccine.​
I received the first dose of the vaccine on Tuesday. The whole process was so streamlined and quick, I walked away feeling nothing. But as I took a photo of the vaccination card to share with friends and family, I was overwhelmed with a mix of gratitude, relief and regret for the rest of the world where the virus is less well contained.​
My director wrote in an email to the emergency department last week that the hardest thing he had ever had to do was watch us head downstairs to face the virus with only our P.P.E. to protect us. And for all of us, the fear that one of our loved ones will succumb to the virus has been a constant shadow.​
To know that we may ameliorate that threat through vaccination seems like a miracle.​
 

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It will be like a flu shot. Annually.
Time will tell. Right now, all the info I read, (and my Dr the other day), is saying we currently know the antibodies are hanging around at least 8 months. It's not that they don't hang around longer, it's that we simply lack the data at this point to say if they do or not. The Dr also said that at this point, everything he's read has been that the current vaccines do equally well on the new strains.

Just like the Flu, you can still catch coronavirus if you've had the vaccination shots. BUT, the chances of you having a severe reaction and complications goes waaaaaay down if you've gotten vaccinated.
 
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