Tenman
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Your source says they don’t know. Then say 6 or 7 months. Well which is it? Some goon on cnn say that? I got my 2nd shot today. Hope it doesn’t take me out.
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Ron is right. . . . but, so are you. . . . "they" say that they do not know for certain how long the antibodies will remain active, but, "they" think it's at least six months. Depending on the "they", it's six to 12 months. I had already assumed that I/you/we will get a covid booster when it's time for the annual flu shot. "They" already offer the flu shot along with the pneumonia, and shingles shot; age dependent. The timing would be just about right. As long as the estimate of everybody that wants the vaccine, will have it by the end of July anyway. Who knows for sure . . . . 'cuz we all know you can't trust a goon from C-ommunist N-ews N-etwork. 
MattR
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You’d have to be bloody unlucky! More chance of dying from paracetamol
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Do you have to smear it on your counter sinker?
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Madhatter
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as for me I chose to get the vaccine , had my first shot 2 weeks ago with no issues . next week we will see a I get my 2nd shot . some are surprised I chose to get the shot , hell me to . but im not an anti Vaxer , and now I can say to those who try and push this "I've been vaccinated " then you hear," well you still have to wear a mask cause you might still be a carrier ". really , it just doesn't work that way . if you have immunity through the vaccine or you don't .
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as for me I chose to get the vaccine , had my first shot 2 weeks ago with no issues . next week we will see a I get my 2nd shot . some are surprised I chose to get the shot , hell me to . but im not an anti Vaxer , and now I can say to those who try and push this "I've been vaccinated " then you hear," well you still have to wear a mask cause you might still be a carrier ". really , it just doesn't work that way . if you have immunity through the vaccine or you don't .
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Longdog Cymru
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Sorry Madhatter, but you can be vaccinated and still be a carrier, the infection is spread by airborne particles, (from your breath or coughing and sneezing), and also by contact. The individual who has been vaccinated may or may not be immune but will have an increased level of resistance and a decreased reaction to the virus. Other factors affecting the efficiency of the vaccine include and pre-existing medical conditions and the medication that you may be taking and don’t forget, the virus has already mutated several times so we will almost certainly require annual booster vaccinations for a few years at least.
A recent study in Israel shows that a fully vaccinated person is very unlikely to transmit the virus. The truth is like the 6 or seven month vaccine effectiveness is we simply don't know yet because people in the trials have not been vaccinated that long yet.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine has been pulled out of the rotation. Six people, females, have had reactions to that vaccine; one death. It sucks to be one of those six, but, six out of 7,000,000 are pretty damn good odds.
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I have removed and edited posts that were political in nature and completely off-topic. Let's keep the discussion about the vaccine and its effects.
I live in Barnet, North London. The South African strain is here so they are sending out letters to get people doing flow testing. However i have colleagues at work who dont want to even get that done, citing the chip in the arm and i dont want them having my DNA. Whats the point in flow testing if people duck out citing bullshit reasons. I told them well what you going to do if you need to have a blood test, refuse it ?. Wether people accept it or not religion seems to be playing a big part in all this. My view is if you choose to live in a democracy you have to accept all that goes along with it and not cherry pick what fits your narrative.
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Sorry but Real world data coming in refutes this:
"As the CDC director has stated, the new study provides real-world evidence that shows that if you are fully vaccinated, you are virtually unable to be infected with the virus or serve as a vector of spread," he tells Health."
Source: (This is just one reference)
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Can You Still Spread COVID-19 Even After Getting Vaccinated? Here's What We Know So Far
A new CDC study and the director's subsequent comments have led many to wonder whether vaccinated people can pass the virus on to those who aren't vaccinated. Here's what's known so far.
The idea that fully vaccinated individuals could still harbor an infection and spread disease has always been nonsense. Based on my training, I for one never believed it, and the data is now showing that it does not happen. This should not be a surprise but rather the expected result.
Madhatter
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Long dog if your able to be a carrier then your not vaccinated
Google it.
Madhatter
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My neighbor a medical doctor is my source. My boss oldest daughter is a medical dr. She agrees.
Longdog Cymru
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You are absolutely correct fac191, here is a quote from the U.K. NHS website:
The coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine does not cause a coronavirus infection. It helps to build up your immunity to the virus, so your body will fight it off more easily if it affects you.
This can reduce your risk of developing coronavirus and make your symptoms milder if you do get it.
The effectiveness and immune response of the vaccine is being monitored as the vaccine is rolled out.
So, the vaccines do not stop you getting COVID, and if you can get COVID, then you can infect others so does that not make you a potential carrier? You need to remember that this is a developing, mutating virus that doesn’t listen to or care about what your neighbour might say. Personally, I would rather trust our U.K. NHS than your neighbour or his daughter.
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People thinking they are immune after the Vax are going to be as much a problem as anti vaxxers. I was out in my local area today. So many people thinking it's over not wearing masks distancing etc. I behave as if I have not had the Vax. That will keep me safer in the long run. Each to their own.
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This doesn't make sense. The vaccine is not 100% effective. It reduces your risk of catching/suffering from it. But, you can be fully vaccinated, and still catch it. And, if you do, you can still spread it. I'm not a doctor, but that was how one explained it to me.
This is how I understood it. So. . . . either the C.D.C. is wrong. . . . or the U.K. NHS is. Because they contradict each other.
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I generally agree with you, but it's a bit more complicated - and we are still learning new things every day.Sorry but Real world data coming in refutes this:
"As the CDC director has stated, the new study provides real-world evidence that shows that if you are fully vaccinated, you are virtually unable to be infected with the virus or serve as a vector of spread," he tells Health."
Source: (This is just one reference)
Can You Still Spread COVID-19 Even After Getting Vaccinated? Here's What We Know So Far
A new CDC study and the director's subsequent comments have led many to wonder whether vaccinated people can pass the virus on to those who aren't vaccinated. Here's what's known so far.www.health.com
The idea that fully vaccinated individuals could still harbor an infection and spread disease has always been nonsense. Based on my training, I for one never believed it, and the data is now showing that it does not happen. This should not be a surprise but rather the expected result.
Among other things it depends on which type of vaccine you received and how well you responded to it.
Clinical trials and real-world studies have shown that the COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe COVID-19.
Some vaccines are also very good at preventing infections, including asymptomatic ones.
But scientists don’t fully know yet how much the vaccines reduce transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to others.
The good news is that studies suggest that the vaccines do reduce transmission — to some extent.
Additional studies are underway now that should give us a better answer soon to the question of transmission after vaccination.
A COVID-19 vaccine that is very effective at preventing people from contracting the coronavirus in the first place can help reduce transmission. People can’t transmit the virus if they don’t have an infection.
However, the primary goal of clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines was to show whether the vaccines prevent symptomatic infections and, in some cases, moderate or severe COVID-19.
Most trials weren’t designed to show whether the vaccines also block asymptomatic infections — those that don’t cause symptoms.
Since those first studies, researchers have carried out additional research that provides clues to how well the vaccines prevent all infections.
Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released initial results from a studyTrusted Source on the real-world effectiveness of the two mRNA vaccines approved in the United States, those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna-NIAID.
Researchers collected weekly nasal swabs from all participants to see if they had any viral genetic material, regardless of whether they had COVID-19 symptoms.
They also collected an additional nasal swab and saliva sample if people developed symptoms.
The vaccines were 90 percent effective at blocking infections — symptomatic and asymptomatic — in people who had two doses of the vaccine, and 80 percent effective in people who had one dose.
That means there was a 90 percent decrease in infections in people who were fully vaccinated compared with a similar unvaccinated group of people.
Studies like this show that the mRNA vaccines greatly reduce infections, but these are just two of the vaccines available.
While all the approved vaccines offer strong protection against severe COVID-19 and hospitalization, the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines block fewer infections than do the mRNA vaccines.
None of the vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing infections. So even if people don’t get very sick with COVID-19, they may still contract an infection and can potentially transmit the virus to others.
Some research suggests that even if a person who has been vaccinated contracts an infection, the virus may be less infectious in this case — at least for certain vaccines.
Several research groups are measuring “viral load” — the concentration of coronavirus particles — in people who have been vaccinated.
Earlier researchTrusted Source found that viral load is a good indicator of infectiousness.
In a studyTrusted Source published in late March in Nature Medicine, Israeli researchers found that people who had been vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and later contracted an infection had lower viral loads than unvaccinated people who contracted an infection.
“The results show that infections occurring 12 [days] or longer after vaccination have significantly reduced viral loads at the time of testing, potentially affecting viral shedding and contagiousness as well as the severity of the disease,” the authors wrote.
Other studies have found similar results.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-can-you-transmit-covid-19-what-we-know#Vaccines-may-reduce-virus-infectiousness
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