Will you take the vaccine

[EricV]

Well, that was unusual.

As a non-combat Vet, I agree with some of what you're saying. This is a health crisis and it should be dealt with as such, not a political one. The segments of our population with the greatest risk for spreading and catching this should have the priority to be vaccinated. That doesn't stop me from getting vaccinated as soon as I can, but I was fine with waiting. Like all of us, I'd like to feel like I can travel again with some concept of safety, in terms of not catching or unknowingly spreading this virus.

FWIW, in terms of benefits, I basically don't exist in the VA system, despite my 7 years of service. And I can't say I'm all that happy with how the VA treated my Dad, a Korea combat Marine, either.

 

[HeliMark]

I don't see it. What makes a healthy undocumented farmworker more important than a taxpaying US citizen who is at just as great or greater risk? Why are convicted child molesters and pedophiles getting the vaccine so they can get early release to rape more children? It makes no sense at all but that is how it's being distributed. Every week we get the news from our piece of crap bleeding heart public officials.

The vaccine is being given out to everyone but the people who really need it. Follow the stay at home orders, tell the truth, carry health insurance, pay taxes and you are last on the list to get it. It is total BS.

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[ballisticexchris]

Man Bob, that's bummer you see it that way. I guess my work history of over 40 years of working 12-16 hours a day means nothing. Or those that proudly serve and have served regardless of combat status.

My solution is to execute the criminals instead of releasing them with a vaccine to commit more crime. And the farmworkers can be kept living and staying in their cramped environment just like I and many others are already doing. Then this disease won't spread.

This way those of us that are following the rules can get the vaccine and move on with our lives. These idiots that want to spread the virus and get those around them sick by traveling and spreading COVID should be last on the list to get a vaccine. This way they can just kill each other off while the rest of us who are suffering by staying in place can survive.

FWIW, in terms of benefits, I basically don't exist in the VA system, despite my 7 years of service. And I can't say I'm all that happy with how the VA treated my Dad, a Korea combat Marine, either.

It's the same thing here with me Eric. The VA is a joke. My uncle who is a combat veteran had to get an attorney to get VA benefits.

 

[Checkswrecks]

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And again if somebody who thinks they are in one of those tiers isn't actively looking to improve their own situation by daily working to find a shot . . .
. . .

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[Checkswrecks]

. . . I guess my work history of over 40 years of working 12-16 hours a day means nothing. Or those that proudly serve and have served regardless of combat status.
. . .

Not one bit more or less than ANYBODY else.
Any time you think you are special stick your finger in a glass of water and see if there's a hole left when you take it out.

 

[AVGeek]

From what I have seen, we have vaccinated just over 20% of the US Population. Since we really need to get to 75-80% to truly get this virus under control and allow a return to some more normalcy, any effort to speed up shots in arms is a good thing in my book. EricV, thanks for sharing the process you went through, hopefully that continues to be the norm across the country.

I'm hoping with the approval of the J&J vaccine that vaccination rates start to climb rapidly. I think I still have a few more rounds to go before I am eligible, but I really hope that by this summer we reach the goals being projected now. My industry has been so heavily devastated by this pandemic, but I see a lot of optimism for a return to real in-person events starting this fall.

 

[WJBertrand]

My dad is a veteran, 90yrs old and been through about everything. He's been shot, broken 8 ribs in an accident, gets his teeth drilled and pulled with no pain killer. He told me the shot really hurt and he felt like crap for days. If this man feels that way, I think I will pass and let the rest get the vaccine.

I dunno, relying on other’s responsibility for your own protection seems like bad Karma to me. I’m very libertarian but vaccines have a social responsibility component.


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[WJBertrand]

I don't see it. What makes a healthy undocumented farmworker more important than a taxpaying US citizen who is at just as great or greater risk? Why are convicted child molesters and pedophiles getting the vaccine so they can get early release to rape more children? It makes no sense at all but that is how it's being distributed. Every week we get the news from our piece of crap bleeding heart public officials.

Potential food shortages make farm workers about as essential as it gets. Recall early in the pandemic several meat and other food processing facilities were closed due to covid outbreaks.




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[ballisticexchris]

Not one bit more or less than ANYBODY else.
Any time you think you are special stick your finger in a glass of water and see if there's a hole left when you take it out.

Nothing was said about me being special. I was using myself as an example of the millions like me around the world. Singling out criminals and undocumented workers to get ahead of the line for vaccinations is just not right.

Potential food shortages make farm workers about as essential as it gets.

Delivering gas, caregiving, and renal failure patients are just as important. When it comes down to it I don't need a farm or slaughterhouse worker to supply my food. If the stores all closed tomorrow I can survive on what I grow in my own garden, and catch in the local lakes and oceans. I've done it before and can do it again if I have to.

 

[Sierra1]

Otherwise, 40% never get deployed, only 10-20% of those 60% who do ever see a combat zone, and a portion of those ever need to use a weapon. . . .

As you said. . . . your opinion. But, anybody that enlists in the military is giving their life over to the country. USCG rescue swimmers for example. Never touch a weapon, and yet will go into the gates of hell to rescue someone in trouble. I'm not trying to start a debate, just posting my opinion. When you enlist, you are most likely going to be away from friends and family for extended periods of time. (there are exceptions) From a pencil pushing REMFs, to ass kicking S.O.Gs. Sacrifices are made. Some more than others. Getting front of the line privilege for a vaccine seems a pretty simple way to say thank you.

EDIT: f.w.i.w. I spent six years on a 688 Class fast attack submarine. We were away from home for months at a time. My primary duty was sonar; search for and track everything. I was also the ship's diver, which apparently was considered dangerous enough for me to receive hazard pay. The only time I was assigned a firearm was while standing security watch. Otherwise, the only other weapon I "handled", was a 2,000lb MK48 torpedo. And, although I was never engaged in actual combat, tracking the Soviets was our primary mission. As was theirs to track us. (as if they could)

So. . . . no combat here. . . . I also don't feel that I'm any less of a veteran because I didn't experience it.

 

[EricV]

Some local trivia on the Vac stuff I am seeing here in MS. A new batch of shots comes in to the counties every week. It appears to be Mondays, but I think it varies week to week. I went online on a Wed and for my county with a mid size city there were only 2 shots left at that time. By the time I signed up for mine, the other was gone, so my wife missed out for that round. I've checked every day since and today I checked when I got up at 0640, but just decided what the heck and checked again at a bit after 0900. At 0640, zero shots available, but at 0900, 1 had appeared. Someone must have canceled their appointment. I was able to score that appointment for my wife on Mon morning. Yea!

Second bit of trivia - some of the counties have the J&J shot too. They list separate appointments and numbers of shots for the J&J and for the Pfizer and Moderna. The J&J appointments flew out while the others still had hundreds of appointments left. People are taking advantage of their options here and that's great!

 

[Sierra1]

I like that they are letting people decide which one they can get. I prefer the more effective, percentage wise, version. Some don't want the two shot version. I also think that the J&J is perfect for out-a-the-way places that don't have the access to super refrigerators.

 

[MattR]

My dad is a veteran, 90yrs old and been through about everything. He's been shot, broken 8 ribs in an accident, gets his teeth drilled and pulled with no pain killer. He told me the shot really hurt and he felt like crap for days. If this man feels that way, I think I will pass and let the rest get the vaccine.

You’re going to feel like crap for many more days if you get the Rona. Good luck, I hope you make it. But it’s probably the worst decision of your life...


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[Checkswrecks]

I understand that the States and Counties learn on Sunday evening how many doses they will get for the week so they can open scheduling at the start of Monday mornings.

 

[MattR]

I don't see it. What makes a healthy undocumented farmworker more important than a taxpaying US citizen who is at just as great or greater risk? Why are convicted child molesters and pedophiles getting the vaccine so they can get early release to rape more children? It makes no sense at all but that is how it's being distributed. Every week we get the news from our piece of crap bleeding heart public officials.

The vaccine is being given out to everyone but the people who really need it. Follow the stay at home orders, tell the truth, carry health insurance, pay taxes and you are last on the list to get it. It is total BS.

Probably because all the taxpayers would starve without the food from the farms?


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[MattR]

I imagine that the older one is, the more it hurts. But, it still beats the alternative.

My 87 year old mum had hers last week. No pain, no side effects


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[MattR]

Man Bob, that's bummer you see it that way. I guess my work history of over 40 years of working 12-16 hours a day means nothing. Or those that proudly serve and have served regardless of combat status.

My solution is to execute the criminals instead of releasing them with a vaccine to commit more crime. And the farmworkers can be kept living and staying in their cramped environment just like I and many others are already doing. Then this disease won't spread.

This way those of us that are following the rules can get the vaccine and move on with our lives. These idiots that want to spread the virus and get those around them sick by traveling and spreading COVID should be last on the list to get a vaccine. This way they can just kill each other off while the rest of us who are suffering by staying in place can survive.



It's the same thing here with me Eric. The VA is a joke. My uncle who is a combat veteran had to get an attorney to get VA benefits.

Are you joking? With a justice system as corrupt as yours? It could just as easily be you on the gurney..

I’m afraid these days I no longer want to travel to countries that kill their citizens or cut pieces off them..


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[Checkswrecks]

As you said. . . . your opinion. But, anybody that enlists in the military is giving their life over to the country. USCG rescue swimmers for example. Never touch a weapon, and yet will go into the gates of hell to rescue someone in trouble. I'm not trying to start a debate, just posting my opinion. When you enlist, you are most likely going to be away from friends and family for extended periods of time. (there are exceptions) From a pencil pushing REMFs, to ass kicking S.O.Gs. Sacrifices are made. Some more than others. Getting front of the line privilege for a vaccine seems a pretty simple way to say thank you.

EDIT: f.w.i.w. I spent six years on a 688 Class fast attack submarine. We were away from home for months at a time. My primary duty was sonar; search for and track everything. I was also the ship's diver, which apparently was considered dangerous enough for me to receive hazard pay. The only time I was assigned a firearm was while standing security watch. Otherwise, the only other weapon I "handled", was a 2,000lb MK48 torpedo. And, although I was never engaged in actual combat, tracking the Soviets was our primary mission. As was theirs to track us. (as if they could)

So. . . . no combat here. . . . I also don't feel that I'm any less of a veteran because I didn't experience it.

My point is that there's a system that is based in highest risk along with keeping our society functioning, rather than miring it down politically by moving vets to the front of the line. You got a shot because you have a medical reason and to not get it could mean getting this highly contagious disease could kill you. I'm glad the priorities worked so that you were vaccinated to be around for us and your family.

On the flip side, since the largest group of veterans are 45-64, I can not tell you an actual name of whose 75+ y.o. grandparent that I would take the shot from for a 45 year old just because they served. Heck, even with the 3 ways that I qualified for the shot I got, on seeing so many frail people in the waiting area I still felt guilty knowing that the shot could have gone to somebody more in need.


On a more humorous note - PJs, rescue swimmers, & JSOCs don't need no shots because the bugs know better and because their skin is so tough that needles bend.

 

[Checkswrecks]

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My solution is to execute the criminals instead of releasing them . . .
And the farmworkers can be kept living and staying in their cramped environment . . .

YGBSM
If that wasn't just talk I guess we have extremely different religious/moral beliefs.

 

[ballisticexchris]

Are you joking? With a justice system as corrupt as yours? It could just as easily be you on the gurney..

I'm not joking one bit and sadly you are spot on. I live in one of the most corrupt states in our country. The public officials in my state are taking the taxes from the healthy workers and using it to support the bums and the dregs. The vaccine is being distributed the same way.

Here is an example of the COVID corruption here. I had to get a COVID test at a super site. I was 100% honest and forthright when filling out the online application. It had an option for if you have medical insurance or not. I did, so I put in my insurance info. I was billed 350.00 for the test. If you do not have insurance and are a homeless welfare bum, then the taxpayer picks up the tab.

YGBSM
I guess we have extremely different religious/moral beliefs.

Unfortunately Bob, we do. After you have child close to you get molested or someone close to you murdered and the person is either not convicted or is released and allowed to live a good life then you might see things different. Undocumented farm workers living in cramped quarters have made a choice to come into this country and live that way. Homeless alcoholics and drug addicts made a choice as well.

None of the above deserve to be put at the head of the line for the vaccine. Millions of hard working, senior, military veterans, and medically challenged US citizens are being shoved into a corner and told they have to wait for this vaccine. Any way you spin it it's not right.