Why does Yamaha market like this?

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Seems like there is a lot of hype around this bike that many of us,including myself, have never rode. I have merely sat on one at a dealership here in the Inland So. Cal. area. It fit me good enough, but have never taken one for a spin. Many manufacturers are putting out demos for riders to check out before dropping money. I have been on a R1200GSA, and a Ducati Multistrada (best bike on a street I have ever ridden). What is it about this bike, besides the lower price, is so good? Anyone with experience on the Yamaha vs. the others? Help wanted here.
 

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That’s why I haven't put any money down on a S10. I want a bike I know is going to meet my needs for the next couple of years. When you were at the dealership their should have been a demo ride available. Yamaha would have more orders at the end of 2010.
 

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I see where some have demo'd the Tenere, but I become suspicious when there is too much praise for something not proven on American roads(or offroads) for that matter. I guess that it has been around in other continents for a while now. For all the talk of the bmw r1200gs being bulletproof, I hear more stories of being stranded on the side of the road than I like to hear, The Ducati I would never take offroad,aside from the bugs in the electronics getting ironed out. The Yamaha looks appealing for the price and the reliability rep that the Japanese bikes tend to have. I one of those Harley riders that want to expand my horizons here with an adventure tourer.
 

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I was stopped by a guy who has a BMW and I told him I was interesting in buying a BMW GS of R1200Rt. When he told me about the cost for service and they way BMW makes it mandatory for you to get your bike serviced by a dealership every 6 thousand miles. Each time costing close to $700. To me that no better then a harley davidson.
I am getting out of harley because of service cost. I want something that is easy to work on and so far, the Tenere, fits that need and with a center stand, I wouldn't need a motorcycle jack to change the oil or fix a flat tire.
The day I checked out the Tenere, the odometer had about 2000 on it, so some lucky bastard rode it.
I would check out Adventurerider.com and talk with owners and pick there brains about the bike. They would tell you what they like and dislike. Or even some riders from the Uk or south africa that own the bike right know on this site.
 

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It seems like motorcycling is expensive to the point that gas saving autos are stille a better deal to have, but if the Tenere proves to be a money saver rather than a money pit, I may get one, but Yamaha needs to just put em out and sell em rather than all the suspense and special ordering crap, like they did on the fjr1300, which by the way isnt even in cosideration in a comparison of sport touring bikes in this months Motor Cyclist magazine.
 

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I am not bugged in the fact that I didn't get to ride the S10 -
I know what it can do, I know the saddle, I know the controls, I read the feedback,
I understand NO RECALLS sans a small rear tail piece not strong enuf for the OEM topbox.
I am ready for this scoot because it'll be a giant killer.
It's affordable and a ton of bike for the money.

What is not to like about that equation.??
 

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houndman said:
It seems like motorcycling is expensive to the point that gas saving autos are stille a better deal to have, but if the Tenere proves to be a money saver rather than a money pit, I may get one, but Yamaha needs to just put em out and sell em rather than all the suspense and special ordering crap, like they did on the fjr1300, which by the way isnt even in cosideration in a comparison of sport touring bikes in this months Motor Cyclist magazine.
I think the primary reason they did the pre-order thing for the US, was that sales for this kind of big adventure bike in this country are unproven - except in the case of the BMW GS's, and they have had 30 years to develop the market. There were no guarantees for Yamaha that they could just waltz in and take a big (enough) slice of the already-small market.

The pre-order system allows them a) to build only the number of bikes required, and so not have too much or too little inventory and b) keep the price down, something that's required to make inroads into BMW's market share.

I for one am happy to wait a bit if it means paying $7000 less than other markets.

If they are a hit (which I fully expect to it be the case given reports from elsewhere) then next year you can have your demo rides and maybe even buy off the floor. Pretty sure prices will increase by $1000 or maybe more, depending on sales and demand. Dunno, but whatever happens their marketing strategy is likely to change next year given there'll be 700+ S10s on US roads.

Trevor
 

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As to why Yamaha is selling the bike the way it is (deposit, wait, no demos), the PDP is something Yamaha has used in the past to sell bikes that they feel are risky to import to the US market. (They have gotten burned with having to heavily discount inventory to sell it on past bikes like the S10.) From the customer's perspective, the PDP suits those who are willing to buy based on reputation and who are patient and easy-going about when their bike arrives. The nature of the PDP also provides some pretty good discounting if you're willing to travel to one of the dealers who are discounting (or can use these deals to leverage your local dealer).

As to whether the bike is worth the trouble, I view the S10 as a Japanese R1200GS that is about $3500 cheaper (before discounts), nothing more, nothing less. Better in some ways, not as good in others, but VERY similar in performance and capabilities. And based on past reputation it should be more reliable, although the unreliability of BMWs (and the GS) is overblown IMHO. Service costs are so variable between markets and dealerships it is hard to generalize, but my experience is that BMW services runs about 35% higher.

All these factors are sufficient for me to wait and buy sight unseen, but I don't think there is anything whatsoever wrong with getting a BMW (or Ducati for that matter).

- Mark
 

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This will be my 9th Yamaha bike overall, and my 4th XT bike. Only had a chance to test ride two of those, and I learned absolutely nothing from those rides. I'll take a test ride whenever possible, but have low expectations for anything meaningful as a result. I do it mainly for fun. Learning a bike takes many hundreds or even thousands of miles, with personalization tweaks ongoing in the early months. I feel completely confident buying the bike unseen based on the existing owner's reports and my long history with Yamaha quality engineering. Their stuff works...period. Their reliability is never in question, and reliability is something I value above all else. I don't want a high performance garage king, which rules out BMW and KTM for me. Sure I wish I could go down and pick one up today without waiting, but that wasn't an option. I've wanted the next bike beyond my Suzuki DL1000. Clearly Suzuki isn't going to build it, so I'm happy to get the Yamaha.
 

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I have no problem buying this one without having a test drive. My personal desires in a motorcycle have developed over the years of enjoying both on and off-road riding and I know what I want in my next motorcycle. I basically want a WR250R that is bigger and more powerful, one that can carry a bit more of a cargo load, has a little more range on a tank of gas, and can handle long rides at freeway speed. I don't want a BMW because of the required maintenance cost. I want ample parts availability and nationwide repair options. Like many of you, I have have ridden enough different types of bikes that I have narrowed my list of requirements in a bike down quite a bit, and this one pretty much covers each item on the list. As I see it, the PDP offer represents a significant savings over what other world markets are paying for this same bike. I see this savings as a kind of advertisement by Yamaha to the USA market. When we get these bikes and are seen riding them throughout the country, big adventure bikes will undoubtedly begin to get noticed more here and growth potential for that type of bike in this market will be the result. When that happens, this bike will go up and up in price and those of us that got it on the PDP will look back and feel fortunate that we took the chance on this one sight unseen.
 

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There are a lot of reasons why Yamaha is doing this, but the biggest was mentioned above. If you look at some of the other bikes they brought into the US, and didn't sell worth a hoot, you can understand their motives. Sadly, US buyers seem to buy mostly cruisers, and to a lesser degree, sportbikes. recently, that's changed, but I still talk to riders that feel that the only way they will have comfort is by buying a cruiser. When I let them (rarely) ride either my FZ or WRR, they're amazed at just how more capable and comfortable they are over their cruisers. Image drives a lot of these purchases. Look at the TDM850 in the 90s: here was literally what old XS650 riders had dreamed of: an uprated XS with liquid cooling and a lot more, just as bulletproof, and a hoot to ride. But it didn't look the part, and nobody bought them, or more correctly, few bought them. Those that did never let them go. I am aware of several past the 100K mileage point, and still going strong.
Now my take on this: I'm one of those oddballs that puts a tremendous amount of thought into big purchases, and am seldom let down when I finally buy. But I look and look and look, sometimes takes me years to decide what I really want. I moved to where we live now a few years ago, and there is an abundance of off road, back road, and gravel road riding, with a minimum of cars and trucks. Where I lived before that, there was nothing but street riding. I don't mind road riding, but I'm an Enduro guy at heart. (OK: I'm dating myself, the early Yamaha on/off road bikes were Enduros, and still are, to me) I bought my WRR used in '09 (at a very good price) as I just couldn't bring myself to spend 6K on a 250cc Enduro, but I could do it for 4300, which is what I paid. (160 miles on it) With plenty of miles on the WRR, I remembered just how much I liked this sort of bike and the fact that I prefer back roads and just exploring interesting roads and tracks. I missed out on the TDM as I was playing games for Uncle Sam in the early 90's over in the gulf, and by the time I got back, no more TDMs.
What I really want is like mentioned above: a big WRR that has some range, more comfort, and no more work to keep running. has to be able to seriously carry a passenger, and handle luggage, hard and soft. Nothing I have now does that, not really. So when I found out they were bringing in the S10, and went through the thought process about if it was truly what I wanted, I discussed it with Most Excellent Wife. Surprisingly, she said "Why don't you order one?" I did the next day. I'm really an old Yamaha Enduro rider from the late sixties that enjoys that sort of motorcycle, and this certainly seems to be it. And a lot more.
Since that time, I gave some thought to maybe having leaped before I should have, but try as I might, I can't find something else that fits the role better than the S10. I can afford this, but I'm old fashioned enough to not want to squander money on toys, but can justify tools. I think this motorcycle will in time become the one bike I ride everywhere, for anything. I'm seeing the WRR becoming even more dirt oriented than it is now, which it already is. I'm reluctant to give up the FZ, but I'm guessing it will spend a lot of time in the garage, as will the WRR. I'm getting a bit long in the tooth for backroad blasts and full bore runs through the woods on a dirt bike, but the S10 seems to be able to do everything except really technical stuff and trackday style riding. I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
 

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My experience is this: I have ridden over 100k on Honda SPort-Touring bikes, both the ST1100 and ST1300. I rode them for the ABSOLUTE HANDS DOWN comfort and RELIABILITY!! I had to tear myself away from the Honda ST's when i went to the Suzuki VSTrom. It was hard parting from shaft drive maintenance free, as well as ABS. If at the time, Suzuki would of had the DL1000 with an ABS and chain, I would of gone there. I chose the DL1000, always feeling like i was settling for second best, but I had the capability of mild dual-sporting in and around the mountains here on the forest service roads to get away from traffic.

I enjoy having a bike with some luggage, to throw extra gloves into, maybe my lunch on way to work, or even groceries while heading home. I like the fact to be able to remove the luggage in under 1 minute, head to the mountains (in comfort) ride 100-500 miles for the day and head home. The bad part of the DL1000 to me....THE CHAIN!!!!

Now fast forward to the intro of the Yamaha Super Tenere.......Shaft Drive (Like the Honda ST1300), ABS (Like the Honda), Traction Control, Awesome Ergo's (upright seating position) and modern components (inverted front forks, rotors). It has capability of luggage of choice, or run it bare and run it hard!!!

I am a one bike sorta guy (wife, new kid, new house) you get the picture!!! This style of bike, fits almost everything my taste throws at me any given day. I was raised around Harley's, have heard the rumors of stranded Beemers, i am too tall and fat for a sport-bike, not old enough for a GoldWing. So there you go, another rider's view on why I chose the Super Ten without sitting on it or even test riding!!!! It's a Japanese made machine!!!! THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!!!
 

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To answer the question as to why they are marketing it this way, it is because we asked them to do it. Go to ADVrider.com and read this thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545850

It starts out on Feb 9, 2008 like this:
"Now this could be interesting , according to motorcyclenews , yamaha are working on a 1200cc adventure/sports bike for 2009 !" and the thread continues for 501 pages and counting.

Finally in Feb, 2010 Yamaha announced this bike would be available to the rest of the world, but not to USA and Canada. Many of us in the USA started calling USA Yamaha and asked them to please bring it here, even if they had to do the PDP like they did with the FJR. Their initial response was that they had no plans to do this and the gentleman on the phone that I talked to said they were surprised at all the calls thay were getting. Finally on Sept 1, 2010 they announced that they would bring it here in 2011 under the PDP program.

We asked, they listened and responded.
 

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They set the terms; they made the offer .... I accepted. I may have preferred doing it another way, but that was not an option. So I'm in for the duration. I like the bike, and I'm gonna get one ... sooner or later. I'm thinking it will be worth the wait. R
 

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I was at a beemer dealer today, big nice GS' to look at. I am gonna wait though as I think there will be some Tenere' ending up on the floor for spontaneous human consumption. I think my problem here is this, I really do like the bike from just reading about it, for what it offers in maintenance intervals and economy considering for less than 20 grand I will have a fully set up rig ready to do what any adventure touring bike can accomplish. I did read something about Honda coming out with a ad-tour bike, but imagine they will still be more expensive than the Yamaha. I really think Yamaha will sell whatever they put out as this looks to be the trend in motorcycling for guys like me in the "past 40 group"
 

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houndman said:
I was at a beemer dealer today, big nice GS' to look at. I am gonna wait though as I think there will be some Tenere' ending up on the floor for spontaneous human consumption. I think my problem here is this, I really do like the bike from just reading about it, for what it offers in maintenance intervals and economy considering for less than 20 grand I will have a fully set up rig ready to do what any adventure touring bike can accomplish. I did read something about Honda coming out with a ad-tour bike, but imagine they will still be more expensive than the Yamaha. I really think Yamaha will sell whatever they put out as this looks to be the trend in motorcycling for guys like me in the "past 40 group"
Yeah, the Honda bike is the CrossTourer. It will undoubtedly be every bit the bike that the S10 is. There will be pros and cons either way, but the Honda's biggest con is that I can get my hands on an S10 sooner. Honda's bike will have a V4, which may or may not be better, but other than that, it is pretty similar. Both Jap bikes and, as such, reliable, low maintenance dream machines IMHO.
 

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The Honda is only a tourer in adventure styling and will not compete directly with the Tenere IMO.

As for the way Yamaha is selling the bike under the PDP program, I think it is very smart. If dealers stocked demos and had an order program there wouldn't be as much of an impact in the boom and bust eras.

I started bugging Yamaha when the 660 Tenere was released and gave my word if the bring an ADV I will buy. I did, but I did my research. Frankly the majority of reviews were crap. Even Motorcycle Consumer News didn't give it much of a look. At least Jimmy Lewis took it for a real spin off-road. Cycle world did a good job as well. The real thanks goes to the Aussies like edog and wasp who put the bike through the paces and reported on their experiences. So far I a, very happy with the bike. It looks great on screen and performs amazing feats in my mind!
 

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Dirt_Dad said:
...and we placed orders. It's a win/win for everyone. Thank you Yamaha.
That is what I emailed to them them last Sept after they announced that they had responded to our requests and were bringing it in. I was surprised when I got this reply from Henio Arcangeli, President of Motorsports Group, Yamaha Motor Corportation USA:

Good morning Fred,

Thank you for your enthusiasm. Because of your efforts and the messages from many other enthusiasts, the Super Tenere made its appearance in the U.S.

I wish you the best of success with the new bike. The response so far has been very good.

My very best,

Henio
 

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fredz43 said:
That is what I emailed to them them last Sept after they announced that they had responded to our requests and were bringing it in. I was surprised when I got this reply from Henio Arcangeli, President of Motorsports Group, Yamaha Motor Corportation USA:

Good morning Fred,

Thank you for your enthusiasm. Because of your efforts and the messages from many other enthusiasts, the Super Tenere made its appearance in the U.S.

I wish you the best of success with the new bike. The response so far has been very good.

My very best,

Henio
That speaks volumes! You will never get that from Laurence Kuykendall or Pieter De Waal, I guarantee it!
 
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