Weapons - What you have (NOT a political discussion)

Sierra1

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The semi-auto handguns have to have a magazine safety. No magazine, no bang if there is a round in the chamber. If it is capable of firing, it has to be marked (etched), and only LEOs can purchase them. . . .
So, is that a TN law? Because, mine and my son's both have that etching, and his was bought a local chain sporting good store. All he had to show was his TX license to carry.
 

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So, is that a TN law? Because, mine and my son's both have that etching, and his was bought a local chain sporting good store. All he had to show was his TX license to carry.
Must be a CA law? Even here in oppressive state of New Yorkistan magazine disconnects are not required by law.
 

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There is no state in the union that requires a magazine safety.

Smith and Wesson when they introduced their stainless series of guns starting with the 5906 had mag safeties (meaning the gun would not fire without the magazine installed). They became insanely popular with police departments nation wide. Being the only gun most cops ever touched outside of their revolvers, it lead to bad habits and false information. People not realizing other guns could fire without a magazine, it became a liability issue. Thus the warnings, Ruger for example uses them as well, because they used magazine safeties on some guns, but not their entire lineup.

There is no California requirement of a mag safety period. Or they wouldn't sell Glocks there or sigs or.... or,....
 

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The semi-auto handguns have to have a magazine safety.
Incorrect information.
CA sells Glocks, Sigs, CZ, etc. None of those have mag safeties.
There is no requirement for a gun to have a mag safety to be on CA roster.
To be on CA roster (prior to 2014) it just had to pass basically a drop test among other things. No new guns are on the roster because of the microstamping law.
 

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I had a S & W 645 back when we had to buy our own stuff. I loved the mag safety. We had crappy holsters, and if I had to go into a packed crowd, I worried about somebody else getting the gun. I would remove the magazine and hold it in my left hand. It served two purposes. It gave a "roll of quarters" in my left hand, and prevented my own weapon used against me. I also practiced drawing, loading, and firing accurately.
 

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California is the only state that requires handguns to have both a chamber load indicator and a magazine safety disconnect.

California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 31910

The gun has to be on the list prior to 2006, the microstamping, prior to 2010 to avoid the law.

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California is the only state that requires handguns to have both a chamber load indicator and a magazine safety disconnect.

California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 31910

The gun has to be on the list prior to 2006, the microstamping, prior to 2010 to avoid the law.

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Again incorrect.
Section 32015, "it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism. "
The or part there is important. as stated there is no requirement to have one. They could have chosen to have had a loaded chamber indicator. As most companies did. Because it is simple as hell to claim a external extractor is.

The microstamping was to be put in place in 2010 but they allowed new guns to be added without it up until 2014 because of a Patent issue, the owner of the Patent would not sell it or license it to anyone. When the Patent problems were squashed they could finally implement it.

Oh excuse me it was 2013 that the micro stamping issue was finally squashed and the Patent was released. Here is an article from may 2013.
 

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California is the only state that requires handguns to have both a chamber load indicator and a magazine safety disconnect.

California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 31910

The gun has to be on the list prior to 2006, the microstamping, prior to 2010 to avoid the law.

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I though load indicator was for law enforcement only?
 

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Again incorrect.
Section 32015, "it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism. "
The or part there is important. as stated there is no requirement to have one. They could have chosen to have had a loaded chamber indicator. As most companies did. Because it is simple as hell to claim a external extractor is.[/URL]
If you look at the section I pointed out, you are correct, if the gun was on the list per the section you quoted, prior to 2006, not after.

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This week I’ve had my official introduction into the shooting sports world. Had an appointment at a local club that showed me around their facilities. All indoors in the Netherlands (various from 10m till 100m). After explanation about gun safety and how to handle we went on to legislation. After some screening i got to shoot some rifles and guns, .22 and 9mm. Damn that’s a lot of fun! Looking forward at becoming a member. After a whole lot of registrated turns on the range and a sh*tload of checks and screening I should be able to own my own gun or rifle after about 1,5 year.
 

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New pocket rocket. Smith 442 pro series. The pro series means it is cut to take moon clips. See how the 5 rounds are held together as one unit? That allows you to load and unload quicker and more reliably. Also makes carrying a reload easier. But it will also still take lose ammunition like a regular gun. Just need to get it some wood grips, rubber is great for shooting, but sucks for pocket carry (hangs up on draw).

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Show an empty moon clip please.
Not for my 5 shot this is for a 6 shot 45acp, but same thing. They have been around since 1908 to allow 45acp (has no rim to stay in the cylinder) to be shot in revolvers. Also used for 9mm revolvers. Watch the video Jerry will blow your mind.


In the late 80's early 90's some gunsmiths started cutting revolvers like the 686 and small J frames like this 442 to take them as well. Smith caught on and did it in their custom shop guns for a while, but they released this semi custom gun for a reasonable price a few years ago.





 

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Not for my 5 shot this is for a 6 shot 45acp, but same thing.
I've seen the .45 moon clips before, but I wanted to see where the .38 clips were connected. It was hard to tell from the picture (at first) but, I couldn't tell if they were connected at the inside or outside.

Jerry Miculek, and Bob Munden are two of the G.O.A.T. Mr. Miculek's daughter is no slouch either.
 
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