very bad design on kick stand

[GSequoia]

FYI the bike I'm referring to is a non-ES.

 

[VRODE]

My 2016 ES feels the same way. Ok on level ground, but I would like a few more degrees of lean. I'm guessing if I bump up the preload it won't be as much of an issue.

 

[WJBertrand]

Actually the ES models have a softer spring. Hence all the spring upgrades for the ES going on.

 

[HeliMark]

I don't care for the length of the side stand either. You really have to pick and chose at times on where you park. And the times you have no choice, it can get sporty getting it off the side stand. Dang near as much as if it had fallen over.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

Below are pics of a puck that I repurposed. I think the non-ES bike have a firmer spring so sit taller, whereas the ES version use the electronics to firm up the spring when switched on so lean agles would be different.....

Thanks Dogdaze

 

[EricV]

hi,

i have to assume i am not the only one that has realized that there is something wrong with the angle/lenght of the kick stand, at least on my 2016 ES.

Unless i have a perflectly flat surface, that stand puts the bike in a "iffy" posotion that is not truly "over". twice now ive had the bike fall over because i wasnt on perfectly flat surface, which, when offroad especially presents some serious problems.

options? replace? get it cut or reheated and bent a bit more?

am i the only one with this issue?

You are apparently not the only one, but it is not a common complaint. The more robust riders have the suspension pre-load cranked in a fair bit, making the un-laden bike taller in the rear and giving it more lean on the side stand. Both my '12 and '15 lean farther over than I'd prefer. But, I also have custom suspension too, so that increases the issue more.

You don't mention what year your bike is. This is important because the Gen I bikes, ('10-'13), have steel side stands and the Gen II bikes, ('14-on), have aluminum side stands. Different materials means it's simply to get any shop to cut a piece out of your Gen I and weld it back together, but a Gen II bike would require a welder with greater skills and a Tig welder or Mig set up specific for aluminum welding.

The first suggestions of checking your forks being even with the top of the triple tree and your pre-load increased a bit are excellent and free. If you weigh less than around 70kg you may find more pre-load to make the bike firmer than you prefer. If you're closer to 90 kg or over, you likely benefit from more pre-load anyway.

Please do post a picture of your bike showing the lean on the side stand.

 

[Liteitup]

From a cutting board, it was painted black.

 

[Tombstone]

Its funny that some say all the Tenere's (in their respective generations) lean the same angle...

No, they don't.

If, when I still had my stock side-stand on, I had put anything under the side-stand (wood block etc.) the bike would have fallen over, in fact numerous times when on dirt I would kick out a little hole with my heel before deploying the stand.

As mentioned before I absolutely could not park on the ride side of a crowned road. Some people apparently are able to do that without any problem.

OBVIOUSLY the bikes are different in some way...

 

[Sierra1]

....OBVIOUSLY the bikes are different in some way...

100% agreement. But I still think it's as simple as suspension settings, not the kickstand itself. And, then, throw in whatever load(s) that are on each individual bike? I have a lot of lean; and as long as the kick stand doesn't fail....it won't fall over. The same can't be said for the "straight up" bikes.

 

[Tombstone]

100% agreement. But I still think it's as simple as suspension settings, not the kickstand itself. And, then, throw in whatever load(s) that are on each individual bike? I have a lot of lean; and as long as the kick stand doesn't fail....it won't fall over. The same can't be said for the "straight up" bikes.

I would be happy if it was a simple fix. With my new adjustable side-stand and the taller rear shock, I'm fairly happy with the results.

This is the first time in 400,000 miles on 12 bikes that I've had this issue. One of the other Tenere riders that I spoke with has a lot more experience than I do and weighs about twice what I weigh... and it was his biggest complaint about the bike.

 

[Don in Lodi]

I know the ES can be very mushy suspension wise. I added an inch to my 2012 side stand to stand it up enough so it stopped wanting to fall over.

 

[Cycledude]

The side stand on every bike I ever owned had issues depending on where it happens to be parked and the weight of the luggage being hauled. It’s a little worse with the Tenere mainly because it’s pretty tall but I’ve usually been able to figure out a reasonably easy way to work around the issue.

 

[Beemermcr]

My 2014 ES was absolutely scary with the stock stand: stood just a bit off vertical, very easy to tip over to the right. I filed the aluminum one down, thought that would work, fiddled with pre-load, softness, hardness, etc. Even carried a cut-down walking stick to stabilize it. Then, one day in southern Utah, a friend broke down and I pulled up to help him - was sure the bike was "stable enough" in the slight breeze from the left. Stable enough to last til I got off and walked back to my friend just as he pointed to my bike falling to the right down the shoulder. Several hundred dollars in new parts (Turn signal, pedal, plastics), a bruised ego later, I simply ordered a 2013 and before steel stand, figured out how to make it work (not perfect, but functional), threw that POS aluminum stand in the trash and am living happily with a properly leaned Tenere. Forgot about it being an issue until this thread. Explore all the alternatives, then order the old steel one for about $60.

 

[Dogdaze]

Thanks Dogdaze

Happy to help.

 

[mobyfubar]

My ES can be iffy if the suspension's on the softest setting, and it's worse if I have the luggage full on a trip. Upping the preload improves it.

 

[Tombstone]

Explore all the alternatives, then order the old steel one for about $60.

Dang it...I'm not as smart as you and spent a LOT more on the adjustable stand. But now I can park and get off without holding my breath or worrying about a gust of wind blowing it over.

 

[RonH]

I had the steel one of course on the 2012. I replaced it wiith the aluminum 2014 stand, and when I did, I actually measured everything comparing the two and they are 100% identical in all measurements and no difference will happen changing one way or the other, same exact length, same exact measurement of how high off the ground while the bike is set up vertical. I suppose it's possible for some stands to vary in some way do to manufacturing, but don't bother switching aluminum to steel or vise versa thinking anything will change.

 

[Shuter]

For me, it seems less of a lean angle issue and more about the bend in the side stand that makes the bike want to creep forward on the sidentand unless on perfectly flat or sloping backwards ground. Just got back from a 5 day trip where, during many sidestand deployments and on-offs, I was always conscious to pick the right parking spot angle...it was never a problem. I also put the bike in first to keep from rolling forward if there's any forward angle at all to the ground. Finally, I installed the AltRider enlarged sidestand foot, which helps when parking on dirt, especially.

 

[Cycledude]

Ever since learning a good lesson about the issues with parking in neutral about 30 years ago about the only time I park in neutral these days is at home in my garage.

 

[bnschroder]

Very strange - I have never had any issues with the side stand on the 14ES, regardless of preload setting or full luggage. I am actually really impressed by the solid feel of the side stand.
I only wish it would lock in the down position like my Harley did. I once had it roll off the side stand when I parked it in neutral pointing downhill. Ouch, but you could call that operator error.


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