very bad design on kick stand

[nico_yyz]

hi,

i have to assume i am not the only one that has realized that there is something wrong with the angle/lenght of the kick stand, at least on my 2016 ES.

Unless i have a perflectly flat surface, that stand puts the bike in a "iffy" posotion that is not truly "over". twice now ive had the bike fall over because i wasnt on perfectly flat surface, which, when offroad especially presents some serious problems.

options? replace? get it cut or reheated and bent a bit more?

am i the only one with this issue?

 

[Dogdaze]

I have done this for many adv bikes, For this new version of the S10 , I used a whole hockey puck, drilled two holes, tapped the under side of the kick stand, bonding glue and two counter sunk allen head screws, job's done. Never had an issue, also works well on soft ground with the larger footprint.
Edit: I was reading this wrong, I think it leans too far over, but you have the opposite experience

 

[treybrad]

Is your bike lowered? That would reduce the amount of 'lean' when on the stand which sounds like your issue, yes?

FJR \ Tenere \ R1200RT -- On my flat driveway, all look about the same to my eye.

 

[markjenn]

If anything, I've always thought the kickstand angle was a little on the "over leaned" side, at least with stock suspension and the bike unloaded. It definitely is a compromise and anything unusual you do with respect to suspension and loads will affect the compromise. It's something that is sometimes modified on an individual bike, either by heating/bending the stand to a different angle or shortening/lengthening (which can be done by a variety of methods with tradeoffs).

If everything is stock and the bike is as tippy as you say on level ground, then it sounds like something is off with your particular bike, either with stand or mount.

- Mark

 

[tallpaul]

The other giveaway with lowered bikes is they are more difficult to get on the centre stand too.

I've never had an issue with the lean angle on my 16 model.

 

[nico_yyz]

bike is not lowered. ill try and get a photo, something is really wrong with mine

 

[Tombstone]

I have the same problem...stock bike bought it new.

I've talked with two other Tenere owners that had the same complaint. I parked it next to my '14 V-Strom (dl1000) and the difference is huge, with the Strom appearing far more stable. One of the Tenere owners I talked to did a lot of filing to make the stock stand lean farther forward.....I tried that and wasn't happy with the results.

So, I bought an adjustable kickstand and so far with only a few miles on it I would say its a big improvement....not as stable as the Strom, but better than it was before.

 

[Sierra1]

I, like markjenn, consider the lean "far over". I assumed that since my preload is usually on two helmets and/or luggage, the bike sits higher at rest. Where is your preload set? Also, the surface angle could be deceptive. One time, with the ST 1300, the bike looked "leaned over". The mere act of opening the right side saddle bag, caused the bike to fall, and crush my toe. (saddle bag crash bar) So, it could be the bike, or it could be the ground; or a combo of both.

 

[WJBertrand]

They fitted a different side stand to the Gen 2 models like my '15 model, and I've experienced this tippyness, but only on non-level surfaces and at the road shoulder where the crown of the road slopes to the right. This is tricky when stopping or parking on a shoulder sometimes. No problem on level ground at all.

 

[blitz11]

bike is not lowered. ill try and get a photo, something is really wrong with mine

when I went with my new penske shock, with the right with the new spring and the right sag, it ended up raising the bike up a bit, causing it to lean "more." i had to use a block to effectively lengthen the kickstand so the bike is more upright.

 

[Sierra1]

I'd rather have more lean, than less. At least it's not like the one on the BMW 1150; it would snap every couple of years.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

I have done this for many adv bikes, For this new version of the S10 , I used a whole hockey puck, drilled two holes, tapped the under side of the kick stand, bonding glue and two counter sunk allen head screws, job's done. Never had an issue, also works well on soft ground with the larger footprint.
Edit: I was reading this wrong, I think it leans too far over, but you have the opposite experience

I agree, my 2017 model, (non-ES), also appears to lean too far. Do you have some pictures of your mod?

 

[Tombstone]

They fitted a different side stand to the Gen 2 models like my '15 model, and I've experienced this tippyness, but only on non-level surfaces and at the road shoulder where the crown of the road slopes to the right. This is tricky when stopping or parking on a shoulder sometimes. No problem on level ground at all.

Right...level ground, no problem, but when I park on the side of a street I usually have to go on the other side and park the wrong way.

Yesterday I installed a new rear shock and that makes the bike a bit higher (even when adjusted with the least amount of pre-load), and with that and the adjustable side-stand I was able for the first time to park on the correct side of the street....but I still got off the bike veeeeery slowly and held my breath.

I bought this bike last June, I have put 25,000 miles on it from Canada to Mexico City and that is my main complaint....the crappy way the side-stand works.

 

[Dogdaze]

I agree, my 2017 model, (non-ES), also appears to lean too far. Do you have some pictures of your mod?

I'll get a photo of it in the morning and post.

 

[RonH]

Both my 2012 and 2017 lean too far if anything. I carry a small block of wood to put under the stand if parking on a dirt surface. The 2014-up that use the aluminum stand vs the older ones with the painted steel, there is no difference in length. They all lean the same.

 

[GSequoia]

Agreed. My new-to-me 2016 feels fine on nice level ground but there have been a few times that I've had to adjust the front wheel to stabilize it in places that I've felt that I wouldn't have to on another bike. Some of this may be me getting used to the big bike verses my 300 pound DR350, of course.

I damn near dropped it tonight at the grocery store, too . Killed the engine and flicked the side stand down with my left foot, heard it clank, and started to lean it onto the stand until I realized that the clank I heard was it returning to its resting position. I'm going to have to remember to watch that for awhile until I develop the muscle memory to always get it past the bias toward closure!

 

[Squibb]

My 2014 ES sits just perfectly, but here we have people declaring differing findings. As I read it the OP's bike stands too upright, whereas some are talking of their bike leaning too far.

Assuming the ES system is answering the command correctly, there will be a slight lean alteration across the range, but nothing dramatic in my experience. This leaves me to wonder whether some of you need to reset the ES, or at least have your dealer take a look next time. It is easy to forget the adjustment procedure in the rider's manual, jump on the bike 2-up with luggage & expect the ES servo/stepper to cope with trying to adjust correctly against a full load. I don't tend to use mine off road, but I guess hard use on rough terrain could also impact.

 

[Cycledude]

Try adjusting the rear shock preload

 

[Dogdaze]

Below are pics of a puck that I repurposed. I think the non-ES bike have a firmer spring so sit taller, whereas the ES version use the electronics to firm up the spring when switched on so lean agles would be different.....

 

[scott123007]

And make sure the top of your forks are even with the top of your triple clamp.