Today I passed a Harley

RIVA

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I raced a Harley today and after some really hard riding I managed to PASS the guy. I was riding on one of those really, really twisting sections of mountain road with no straight sections to speak of and where most of the bends have warning signs that say "MAX SPEED 30MPH".
I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.
I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and cornering. Three corners later, I was on his mudguard. Catching him was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.

Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd
manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but when we came out he'd get on the throttle and out-power me. His horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me more determined than ever.

My only hope was to out-brake him. I held off squeezing the lever until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of
his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.

But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see him in my rear-view mirror.
Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the
tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more than horsepower and deep pockets, I had passed him. Though it was not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the mountain and I had preserved the proud tradition of one of the best bits of Brit iron.

I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaledso hard in my life. And, some of the credit must go to Raleigh cycles, as well. They really make a great bicycle...
 
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And just when I was thinking how cool it is to beat a Harley on my Beta......
 

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I have never heard of or seen a Harley ever that could beat a Yamaha BW50 at either cornering or even the straights. they make 9700cc V-Twins and only put out 11 Horsepower.. Incredible how you can make an engine so big perform so poorly that a weed eater puts out better HP curves.
 

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I've never seen a Harley with sufficient ground clearance to go quick in the twisties.
You read my mind; with the possible exception of the XR1200. ('cuz Buells don't count) The motor is capable, but once again, most people don't buy H-Ds to carve corners.
 

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I raced a Harley today and after some really hard riding I managed to PASS the guy. I was riding on one of those really, really twisting sections of mountain road with no straight sections to speak of and where most of the bends have warning signs that say "MAX SPEED 30MPH".
I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.
I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and cornering. Three corners later, I was on his mudguard. Catching him was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.

Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd
manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but when we came out he'd get on the throttle and out-power me. His horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me more determined than ever.

My only hope was to out-brake him. I held off squeezing the lever until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of
his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.

But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see him in my rear-view mirror.
Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the
tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more than horsepower and deep pockets, I had passed him. Though it was not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the mountain and I had preserved the proud tradition of one of the best bits of Brit iron.

I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaledso hard in my life. And, some of the credit must go to Raleigh cycles, as well. They really make a great bicycle...
as a Harley owner I laughed! Great story!
 

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I raced a Harley today and after some really hard riding I managed to PASS the guy. I was riding on one of those really, really twisting sections of mountain road with no straight sections to speak of and where most of the bends have warning signs that say "MAX SPEED 30MPH".
I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.
I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and cornering. Three corners later, I was on his mudguard. Catching him was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.

Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd
manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but when we came out he'd get on the throttle and out-power me. His horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me more determined than ever.

My only hope was to out-brake him. I held off squeezing the lever until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of
his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.

But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see him in my rear-view mirror.
Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the
tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more than horsepower and deep pockets, I had passed him. Though it was not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the mountain and I had preserved the proud tradition of one of the best bits of Brit iron.

I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaledso hard in my life. And, some of the credit must go to Raleigh cycles, as well. They really make a great bicycle...
Ha ha, I really like this story!!!
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Very true, they usually buy them to get to the closest Tim Hortons to stand in the parking lot.( a Canadian thing,)
Yup, how true! They tell stories like "my dick is bigger than your dick".
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My observations around here are even if the Harleys had equivalent horsepower and cornering clearance to match the Ténéré, most (not all) of their riders aren’t skilled enough to use it.


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….even if the Harleys had equivalent horsepower and cornering clearance to match the Ténéré, most (not all) of their riders aren’t skilled enough to use it.
Yes, but, for the most part, H-D riders have little interest or need of sport clearance and handling. The guy in the video had to have replaced/improved the OE suspension. With the exception of his near lay down, the bike seem well planted. I also think that it was likely a tire issue more than anything else.
 

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I've ridden with a couple HD riders that can seriously spank a couple very experienced LT riders. Amazing to watch.
 

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Not a Harley fan but sometimes it's the rider not the bike...
I've often heard that with bikes it's 80% rider and 20% bike and tend to agree (within some parameters of course, we can't be drag racing ;) ).

Having said, this Harley guy was on a mission and over-riding the bike (big ass end slide at one point). If he'd been on a more capable bike that he knew as well, on a road he knew, he'd be faster. And, I'm not an expert, but was that a 'sportster' or whatever they call them? If so, isn't that the most high-clearance bike next to the v-rod? I met a Harley rider outside of Glacier national park and think that's what he told me (he was on one).

Personal experience: I zoomed past a Harley guy who was holding us up and trying to keep us from passing him (asshole move) and finally had enough, so I went past a fair clip (zx-9r wide open) and ran the next corner hard. The guys I was riding with were still behind, he tried to follow and immediately dragged hard parts, had sparks coming off stuff and then decided to let the rest of the group pass (as relayed to me after).

Many bikes can be ridden quick (KLRs even in the right environment), that doesn't mean it's smart or safe(ish) to do so :)
 

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I've often heard that with bikes it's 80% rider and 20% bike and tend to agree (within some parameters of course, we can't be drag racing ;) ).

Having said, this Harley guy was on a mission and over-riding the bike (big ass end slide at one point). If he'd been on a more capable bike that he knew as well, on a road he knew, he'd be faster. And, I'm not an expert, but was that a 'sportster' or whatever they call them? If so, isn't that the most high-clearance bike next to the v-rod? I met a Harley rider outside of Glacier national park and think that's what he told me (he was on one).

Personal experience: I zoomed past a Harley guy who was holding us up and trying to keep us from passing him (asshole move) and finally had enough, so I went past a fair clip (zx-9r wide open) and ran the next corner hard. The guys I was riding with were still behind, he tried to follow and immediately dragged hard parts, had sparks coming off stuff and then decided to let the rest of the group pass (as relayed to me after).

Many bikes can be ridden quick (KLRs even in the right environment), that doesn't mean it's smart or safe(ish) to do so :)
Right, ride at YOUR comfort level, never exceed YOUR limits or riding skills, or you will pay the price.
I ride a Tenere, and it gives me great pleasure blasting past a Harley. Having said that, the odd race bike easily blows past me, frankly I don't give a sh*t.
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