The next chapter...KTM Super Adventure S

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Spent a significant amount of time off pavement yesterday. Longest since buying the bike.

I utilized every electronic aid that exists on the SAS. Engine mode: Offroad, Suspension Dampening: Offroad, ABS: Offroad, Traction control: On. That's a change for me, I always turned TCS off on the Tenere, but with a 5% off road tire, I took a very leisurely ride and did not push it at all. As I've said many times, doing power-slides on a slick street tire just seems pointless to me.

Rode Swearing Hill. The corner shown below is where my wife, riding her Tenere, expressed her disapproval of me putting her on this road in wet conditions. She was coming down on the left side and it was a tad bit muddy, I wanted her to stop on the landing of this switchback so she could take a break. After she explained she would not, this mountain has been forever named.


The mud was very minimal today, but with these street slicks, the tiny bit of mud still had my full respect. Especially when it required me to cross it on the edge of a steep mountain drop off.



Overall the terrain I faced was no real problem with these tires. There's a lot of steep swicthbacks, but the usual ruts seemed smaller than normal and the bulk of the mud could be avoided. As I picked up the pace I was alert to riding over the smoothest path possible. Thinking I really don't want to be smashing the cast wheels into the frequent embedded rocks peaking up from the road.







Overall, using all the aids, this bike is extraordinarily easy to ride in this environment. I was much slower that I would usually be on a Tenere, or any of the smaller bikes. I had no capable tires, no skid plate, and cast wheels. At times I was riding at grandma pace. Still even at those slow speeds around uneven terrain and switchbacks, the bike was fully in control and never a hand-full or awkward. It just chugged along completely composed.

Knocking the engine down to 100hp in Offroad mode really reminds you of a Tenere in Sport mode. It's an extremely familiar power delivery.

The ride in the Offroad suspension dampening setting provides the expected superior KTM ride off pavement. The Tenere ES could probably deliver the same level of comfort off road, but leaving it to me to guess the best setting (hard-standard-soft; +/-3) means I'm positive I did not set it close to what it could have done. I'm such a neanderthal with suspension, I'm happier having only 4 possible settings rather than over 20. That's more a reflection of my ignorance of suspension settings than any hit on the Tenere.

As I approach 4 months of ownership, with a little over 5200 miles, my assessment of the bike has had very little change in the last couple of thousand miles. Long summer days gave way to shorter autumn daylight hours, which has knocked my riding down from 350+miles to as low as 200 mile a ride. That has only increased my desire to get out again tomorrow, because I'm just not done.

Yesterday I realized there is another reason I'm finding this bike so enjoyable. The Tenere is a great long distance tourer, a fun twisty pavement ride, and a very good off road bike for its size. The SAS does not match the off road prowess of the Tenere, but it is a more sophisticated tourer, and twisties take on a whole new level of enjoyment. It's good, but what the SAS has introduced to my riding is the anticipation of a straight road, or even a speed limit change. Time and time again, when no one is in front of me and the speed limit is better than 25MPH, pulling away from a stop sign is an exercise in how fast can you get from 0 to about the speed limit. I find it very entertaining. Speed limit increases away from town also invoke the same response, but might not result in being as close to the speed limit. The bike is just so responsive, feel free to insert the hit of a power-band any time you choose. Straight roads no longer need to be mundane.

The riding buddy who first got me considering this bike, pulled the trigger and got himself a SAR last month. I've had a lot of fun hearing from him as he goes from being a long time GSA rider (and GSA submariner ) to learning his 1290. To summarize his experience...the responsiveness is intoxicating.
 
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Looks like I'm going to have to call it at 5,500 miles due to the FRONT tire. That's a first. Still have tire life left in the back and center of the front, but hitting the wear bars on the side of the front tire. I guess this proves they really do use dual-compounds in modern tires.





Apparently I turn left more than I turn right.

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The back still looks like it has a while it could go, but expect to replace them as a set.

Have to figure out what I want next. We'll see if there is any Black Friday pricing on tires this weekend.

Happy Thanksgiving all.
 

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Yes, we all tend to execute left turns more than right hand turns.
If one has mistakenly missed a turn, gone the wrong way, most riders will do a left 180 degree turn to reverse course.
I force myself to keep my feet on the pegs, and don't "duck walk" like a lot of the guys and gals I ride with. So what y'all do?
Hmmmmm.....something in the water???
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Yes, we all tend to execute left turns more than right hand turns.
If one has mistakenly missed a turn, gone the wrong way, most riders will do a left 180 degree turn to reverse course.
I force myself to keep my feet on the pegs, and don't "duck walk" like a lot of the guys and gals I ride with. So what y'all do?
Hmmmmm.....something in the water???
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The camber on the roads in Oz means we tend to wear the right side of our tyres first. Do you have camber on your roads making you wear the left side first?

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Canada, yes, absolutely
By the way, I love your country along with Zealand....just wish I emigrate to Australia...sadly I'm too old.
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Yes, we all tend to execute left turns more than right hand turns.
If one has mistakenly missed a turn, gone the wrong way, most riders will do a left 180 degree turn to reverse course.
I have to give you that one. If those turn arounds count, then I do it usually to the left. But that should not be getting to that left side wear bar.
 

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I had a lot of "cupping" on my Super Tenere's front tyre.
It's due to the build of the roads. When it rains you want the water to run off to both sides of the road as opposed to pool on the roads.
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I had a lot of "cupping" on my Super Tenere's front tyre.
It's due to the build of the roads. When it rains you want the water to run off to both sides of the road as opposed to pool on the roads.
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Some brands/model of tires are far more susceptible to cupping than others. I am currently using Dunlop and one of the top reasons is they don't cup like others have.
 

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Yes, we all tend to execute left turns more than right hand turns.
If one has mistakenly missed a turn, gone the wrong way, most riders will do a left 180 degree turn to reverse course.
I force myself to keep my feet on the pegs, and don't "duck walk" like a lot of the guys and gals I ride with. So what y'all do?
Hmmmmm.....something in the water???
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American tires wear more on the left for the same two reasons UK & NZ tires wearer more on the right. In addition to the camber on the road (which is the lesser factor), our turns are shorter when we go around a right hand turn. Added up over thousands of miles, we simply do more miles to the left than to the right.

 

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Thanks for that Checkwrecks, hadn't thought about our right hand turns.
Having said, so many riders and drivers alike make very wide if sloppy turns both left and right hand often ballooning into the other lane.
If anyone reading this is perhaps guilty of what I just mentioned, then, go to a quiet parking lot and practice your turns both left and right.
I do....it helps me a lot with my riding as when I am faced with a situation where I must make an immediate left or right hand 180 degree turn, it tends to come naturally.
Oh, please no duck walking.
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American tires wear more on the left for the same two reasons UK & NZ tires wearer more on the right. In addition to the camber on the road (which is the lesser factor), our turns are shorter when we go around a right hand turn. Added up over thousands of miles, we simply do more miles to the left than to the right.
Leave it to a crash investigator to know the answer. Can definitely see that we do spend more time and miles turning left vs right. That said, I don't think I generally lean the bike over that far in a 4-way intersection to hit that particular wear bar.

I paid a lot of attention to the camber of the road today. Easy to see why the left side is so worn compared to the right. Every time in a left turn you are immediately getting the tire tread left of center closer to the pavement. On a right turn, you are first taking the tire tread up to center just to get perpendicular to the pavement, then heading towards the sloping away pavement on the right. It's a wonder I ever get rid of chicken strips on the right.

The tire is rapidly disappearing before my eyes. Can see significant difference from just one ride.

This morning:


same spot just 260 miles later


It's going away fast. Starting to feel the pressure on what to get next. Spent a lot of time going through reviews, owner opinions and videos. Picking the right next tire is proving to be more difficult than expected...and at the rate I'm going, my rides are numbered.

I notice on my usual enthusiastic speed shifting it's pretty common for the traction control light to blink a bit on many shifts. I want to be very deliberate on what tire will keep up with the power the SAS is putting out. Yes, the bike will keep me out of too much trouble, but not interested in having it shut down any more than absolutely necessary when I'm asking it to reposition me to the back of the seat...which it does very well. As I'm studying tires, I appear to be asking for both the moon and the sun.
 
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It's going away fast. Starting to feel the pressure on what to get next. Spent a lot of time going through reviews, owner opinions and videos. Picking the right next tire is proving to be more difficult than expected...and at the rate I'm going, my rides are numbered.
If you are staying on pavement consider the Dunlop Roadsmart 3. It has become my go to tire on most bikes (it didn't work on my Tuono 1100 as the sidewall was too stiff for it). I had it on my BMW S1000XR and the 1250GS. The handling on both bikes is dead neutral and it feels like the tire was specifically designed for them. Tread wear is good with no cupping and consistent feel and confidence throughout its life. I have tried a bunch of different tires before I settled on this one. They just announced a Roadsmart 4 as well but I don't think it is yet available.
 

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I'm wanting better off pavement tires than the OEM, but not wanting to loose anything on the street. Like I said, I'm wanting a lot from a next tire. It may not exist.
 

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notice on my usual enthusiastic speed shifting it's pretty common for the traction control light to blink a bit on many shifts.
Maybe, the problem is not the tires.
Maybe, the right grip has a sensor that detects the "autoenergy" that comes from the right hand and this sensor is connected to the ecu and that flashing light you see on the dash, is when the brain loses control of the right hand. Read the user manual, maybe it says something about it, or maybe that flashing light it is a security system that the 1290 bring.......
 

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I just put a set of Dunlop Mission Trailmax tires on to try them. Other then the reviews, they look to have more rubber on the ground compared to the E-07 I normally run, which should be better for on road, but I want to keep off road as much as possible also. A number of reviews are saying they are more 70/30 or 60/40, don't know, I only have 180 miles on them so far, and they did well in the dirt and on road. The negative so far, is they are a little more vibey, and noisey compared to the E-07, or the Motoz GPS.
 

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I'm wanting better off pavement tires than the OEM, but not wanting to loose anything on the street. Like I said, I'm wanting a lot from a next tire. It may not exist.
Keep us posted on what you end up with, seems like tire reviews are like oil reviews.
 

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I just put a set of Dunlop Mission Trailmax tires on to try them.
One of my current 3 on the short list. I'm very impressed with the reported performance of the front tire, but saw a review where a 50hp bike could break the rear loose. That rear doesn't seem like a good candidate for the 160hp SAS. Considering a front as an option.


I am switching to the anakee adventures when my current ‘wings finally die. For me this is a great 80/20 tire that matches my intended use.
This is another on the short list. The rear does have a bit of an uncommon shape that I've seen one reviewer said it makes the bike drop pretty quickly on the transition on the corner. This particular reviewer was showing how trail breaking is useful in counteracting this tendency. I know how to trail brake and even spent some time doing it yesterday. Not really my way of riding so not sure about this one.

The other tire under active commiseration is CW's Avon tire. It seems to meet both my sticky requirements, and my increased dirt capability. But it's rated the very worst for longevity. Even below the Karoo (6) the Avon came out dead last at (9). I once killed a Karoo on the Tenere in just 3K miles. If the Avon is that bad, I don't want to be changing tires monthly.

Need more time to research.
 
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