The new Mitas E07 Adventure tire (tyre)

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ballisticexchris

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Hi there Mike, The shaking and squirming you feel is inherent to all chevron style treads. Some tires are worse than others. I was hoping that the new E07+ might have been upgraded enough to eliminate this issue. The E07 tire has become a viral topic on the internet. In the real world (at least out here in the West) none of us run those things.
 
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Out West and it worked fantastic? What was good about it? In these 9 pages of discussion, there are only a very few posts about the characteristics of this tire. Almost every post is about the mileage.

How do they handle in the corners?

Are they squirmy?

Do they drop into the corner?

Are they stable with trail braking?

Do mid corner direction changes cause the tire to do anything funny?

How much traction do you get in deep sand? As it wears, do the side knobs still provide enough traction in the dirt when changing directions?

How do they track in shallow ruts? Does the tire drop in and stay in the rut or climb out?

Can you keep the same pressure when going off road or do you drop the pressure for more compliance/traction?

How does the tire do in off camber situations? Does it slide down or grip and provide confidence?

How much wheel weight is used to balance tire?

Can you use just the rear brake to change direction?

On steep slippery downhills does the tire give confidence when using the "unified braking"? Or does just the rear brake work better?

In the rain how well does the tire grip when doing a panic stop?

In the rain how well does the bike track in a panic stop?

These are just a few questions I have. The real bummer is it's almost impossible to find out anything of value about these tires other than mileage. And that goes with almost any tire thread.

I found out real quick that not many people care about detailed reviews of tires. OTOH, at the first mention of "how many miles do they last", the threads go viral with pictures, and comments about tread life. I'm still old school and like to test out different treads and really test them out in situations I will not normally encounter.

The E07 is the trials tire of 15 years ago!! I remember seeing almost everyone (including myself) switching over to trials tires on our dirt bikes. It took just a few seasons to realize how crappy they performed in anything other than rocks. I imagine it will be the same thing with the E07.
 

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Yes and No to all the above questions.
I only ride pavement [and I'm slow at that] don't know how to ride dirt.
 

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Hi there Mike, The shaking and squirming you feel is inherent to all chevron style treads. Some tires are worse than others. I was hoping that the new E07+ might have been upgraded enough to eliminate this issue. The E07 tire has become a viral topic on the internet. In the real world (at least out here in the West) none of us run those things.
Not so..........................
I ran this exact same combo and my S10 is perfectly stable at any speed I have ridden it.
I still have the front E07 Dakar on there, and I plan to run it until the rear tire wears out again.
I have never experienced any shaking or squirming with them.
I actually liked the rear E07-Plus a lot. Very stable in corners. Tons of grip for how I ride, even in the wet. At no point did I feel I could "out ride" these tires. I felt the tread life was acceptable too, at almost 6500-miles.
 

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Yes and No to all the above questions.
I only ride pavement [and I'm slow at that] don't know how to ride dirt.
What have you done with the real Steve?!



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Yes and No to all the above questions.
I only ride pavement [and I'm slow at that] don't know how to ride dirt.
Well from the looks of your blogs you are not being truthful. How about some real feedback on the tire other than mileage?
 

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Yes and No to all the above questions.
I only ride pavement [and I'm slow at that] don't know how to ride dirt.
So you ride slowly on the 8 year old 10? So maybe only 10k slow miles a year so only 80,000 miles on it?
 

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Out West and it worked fantastic? What was good about it? In these 9 pages of discussion, there are only a very few posts about the characteristics of this tire. Almost every post is about the mileage.

How do they handle in the corners?

Are they squirmy?

Do they drop into the corner?

Are they stable with trail braking?

Do mid corner direction changes cause the tire to do anything funny?

How much traction do you get in deep sand? As it wears, do the side knobs still provide enough traction in the dirt when changing directions?

How do they track in shallow ruts? Does the tire drop in and stay in the rut or climb out?

Can you keep the same pressure when going off road or do you drop the pressure for more compliance/traction?

How does the tire do in off camber situations? Does it slide down or grip and provide confidence?

How much wheel weight is used to balance tire?

Can you use just the rear brake to change direction?

On steep slippery downhills does the tire give confidence when using the "unified braking"? Or does just the rear brake work better?

In the rain how well does the tire grip when doing a panic stop?

In the rain how well does the bike track in a panic stop?

These are just a few questions I have. The real bummer is it's almost impossible to find out anything of value about these tires other than mileage. And that goes with almost any tire thread.

I found out real quick that not many people care about detailed reviews of tires. OTOH, at the first mention of "how many miles do they last", the threads go viral with pictures, and comments about tread life. I'm still old school and like to test out different treads and really test them out in situations I will not normally encounter.

The E07 is the trials tire of 15 years ago!! I remember seeing almost everyone (including myself) switching over to trials tires on our dirt bikes. It took just a few seasons to realize how crappy they performed in anything other than rocks. I imagine it will be the same thing with the E07.
That’s a lot of questions. Best thing to do is run one and see if you like it. Relying on internet reviews to answer those questions is like fishing in the sewer ponds. You might catch a lunker and you might catch a turd. But you wouldn’t want to eat either one.

I’ve ridden with eemsreno and if he says it’s a good tire and works well- that tells me all I need to know.
 
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That’s a lot of questions. Best thing to do is run one and see if you like it. Relying on internet reviews to answer those questions is like fishing in the sewer ponds. You might catch a lunker and you might catch a turd. But you wouldn’t want to eat either one.

I’ve ridden with eemsreno and if he says it’s a good tire and works well- that tells me all I need to know.
That's a pretty fair assumption. I can still say with confidence that there is no tire that can beat a true "big block"knobby in the dirt. I do applaud the brave and skilled riders that are willing to run these for many trouble free miles.
 

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I'm all for a true knobby!
I know very well of there advantages!
But tires that will go 11,000 miles to Alaska and back have a big advantage while traveling. I'm not there to be fooling with tires.
This new E-07+ is way more knobby than the old 07 and if it can last for a long trip will be a great compromise.
 

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A tale of 3 Mitas.
Here is a photo of my last 3 Mitas E07 rear tires. All the same size, run on the same bike, same pressure (42psi) with the same rider.8EE30A29-86C7-427F-9BA7-CEF159EFFA56.jpeg
Far right is the original world famous E07 Dakar, it took me from southern Ontario to Tuktoyaktuk and Alaska and back home then another 10,000 kms of local riding. Mostly paved back roads but 3000 kms of dirt roads (aired down to 32), no freeways. This tire has 29,817 kms on it and still has 1 mm above the wear bar.
Next is the less costly E07 (non Dakar), this has mostly local back road riding in Ontario and Arizona plus some freeways and some Jeep trail adventures. I’m guessing less then 1500 kms off pavement. It has 30,200 kms and measures 2 mm above the wear bar.
Left is the new E07+, installed 10 weeks ago for a 2-up tour of Newfoundland, all pavement including 5000 kms of freeways, less than 200 kms of dirt roads. This tire went 20,002 kms and still has 2mm above the wear bar.
Then my new E07+ mounted and ready for adventure.
All 3 tires performed well under various conditions, the + is noisiest and feels lumpy at low speeds but expect it may be better in dirt and mud.
If I had the choice I’d keep using the original non Dakar, long life, easiest to mount, good performance on dirt and street, but no longer available.
 

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For my last Alaska trip I used a set of Mitas Dakar’s and they worked fine but the rear was pretty well worn out at 10,000 miles when I traded for the new 2018.

If I keep hearing decent reports about the EO7+ that’s very likely what I will use for the next Alaska trip, I do like the fact that they removed that center strip of rubber when they designed the EO7+.

In 2016 we rode to Prudehoe Bay and I used Bridgestone Battlewings, it rained all the way up there on the Haul Road ! the tires worked fine but a more aggressive tread pattern would have made it safer and easier to go a little faster in that slop .
 

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A tale of 3 Mitas.
Here is a photo of my last 3 Mitas E07 rear tires. All the same size, run on the same bike, same pressure (42psi) with the same rider.View attachment 58939
Far right is the original world famous E07 Dakar, it took me from southern Ontario to Tuktoyaktuk and Alaska and back home then another 10,000 kms of local riding. Mostly paved back roads but 3000 kms of dirt roads (aired down to 32), no freeways. This tire has 29,817 kms on it and still has 1 mm above the wear bar.
Next is the less costly E07 (non Dakar), this has mostly local back road riding in Ontario and Arizona plus some freeways and some Jeep trail adventures. I’m guessing less then 1500 kms off pavement. It has 30,200 kms and measures 2 mm above the wear bar.
Left is the new E07+, installed 10 weeks ago for a 2-up tour of Newfoundland, all pavement including 5000 kms of freeways, less than 200 kms of dirt roads. This tire went 20,002 kms and still has 2mm above the wear bar.
Then my new E07+ mounted and ready for adventure.
All 3 tires performed well under various conditions, the + is noisiest and feels lumpy at low speeds but expect it may be better in dirt and mud.
If I had the choice I’d keep using the original non Dakar, long life, easiest to mount, good performance on dirt and street, but no longer available.
Seems like I can only get about half your mileage on the rear. Must be right hand control. Just mounted the Dakar 07+. Going to try going easier on it. If I can get close to your mileage on it, I'll be very happy.



My last E07 Dakar after 10k mi

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Boy, these E07 tires really have a "cult following". This tire reminds me exactly of the trials tire everyone was using 15 years ago in the off road world. No question that the mileage you guys are getting out of these is phenomenal!
 

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I wouldn't call it a cult following, Chris; "cult" implies a slavish devotion to something that's absent any reason, and I'd say that the majority of us who do like this tire like it for very clear and articulable reasons. For those of us who log high miles, especially on long cross-country trips, it's the only tire (at least the old E-07 was) that we've found that you can put 10,000 miles on without having to stop somewhere and change tires. Or worse yet, stop somewhere and wait around for a week while a shop puts one on order because a lot of shops don't stock tires in this size. We aren't confusing its performance with a true knobby off-road tire, and we don't expect it to perform like one. Many of us didn't even consider its off-road performance when we selected it. We chose it because, on a trip from say North Carolina to Oregon and back, we can rely on it to make the trip and not be down to the cords at 5000 miles.
 

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Reviving an old thread. Has anyone tried 140 regular E07 yet? My last 150 E07 is about done at 13.5K miles.

Thanks
 
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