The Gift of Global Warming—December Riding

[Jlq1969]

Viagra may effect global warming

hahaha!!!…..I recently tried a 50mg chewable one….I am 53 years old….I had never used it. It is as if I had made a reflash to the “friend”…..they are like 20HP more….and with any stimulus, he gets curious…..I calculate that the 100mg one should be like the 1290,…..if you don't cut the crankshaft first

 

[fac191]

Its "f'n" cold here for November, so today it's more global cooling in my neck of the woods.
10" of snow at my house and -18deg.C, Hate to see what January and February will bring, our coldest months. YIKES

May be Canada could Export this extra Snow over the Border. They could use some for their Rivers.

 

[fac191]

hahaha!!!…..I recently tried a 50mg chewable one….I am 53 years old….I had never used it. It is as if I had made a reflash to the “friend”…..they are like 20HP more….and with any stimulus, he gets curious…..I calculate that the 100mg one should be like the 1290,…..if you don't cut the crankshaft first

I did some in Thailand. I ended up getting banned from " KATOEYS R US "

 

[Checkswrecks]

Once again, I did not express my point very well. I will not argue that man has negatively influenced global warming. But if modern man wasn't present, as in the last four global warmings, our planet would continue to warm. It is the planet's natural cycle to warm and cool. Regardless of what man is doing or not doing.
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The Earth is just doing what it's been doing for millions of years. And will continue to do so with or without man.

True that the planet has a natural cycle BUT the global ice ages took millions of years.

The problem is that we've cured so many ills and been so good at making babies that the average person lives - and consumes and pollutes - for a lot longer than we did.

And there's a very strong connection between the number of people and what is WELL documented to cause the average global temp to rise.

I'm fine with doing what we can to slow this but think it's too late to do more than slow the coming badness for our great grand children. Somebody will still be here but the average people won't have the nice lives we've had.

 

[Quique]

Sierra,
I understand you but we differ. To me, that "negative influence" is so big that I say that this climate change is caused by humans.
Other past climate changes had a natural origin and must be considered in geological times. However we can see this one in a lifetime. I found this for you.

In 50M years, the Mediterranean will disappear and Africa and Europe will join up. This movement of tectonic plates started 40 M years ago. We don't notice it in a lifetime. Hard to imagine how many climate changes this will create. This is a natural event.
Unless there is a massive explosion of volcanoes all over the world, what it has not happened in the last century, the atmosphere is capable to deal with the small number of volcanoes blowing up from time to time. However, the atmosphere is not capable to deal with the huge amount of gases that the humans are releasing. This means that the volcanoes have a negative influence in the climate change that the humans are creating and not they way around.
Yes, humans are involved in the release of methane and big wildfires in Siberia although almost nobody live there. It's another consequence of the climate change. The soil is thawing and this allows the releasing of the methane kept into it. The wildfires are growing due to less moisture in the air, longer summers and drier soil and plants. This is why this warming is called global.
The industrial revolution started in the XVIII century with a maximum in the XIX century. This is when we started to use fossil fuel engines, first with coal then with petrol. This is, when we started to poison the atmosphere. It matches with the graphic that jlq gently provide to us.
I have no economical interest whatsoever on pointing this out, although I would love that solar panels and windmills makers will become rich. I am concerned about the future.

 

[Quique]

15ºC in Cogolludo (Spain) at 6 pm local time

 

[Quique]

and with the graphic that checkswreks has provided us, also gently

 

[Quique]

it seems to me that the information on electrical energy in Spain is not completely complete….On the one hand there is the generation (which must be in the percentages that you say)….on the other hand there is the total energy consumption in the country…..from what I see, all the energy generated “inside” the country….represents 30% of consumption…..the other 70% of the energy consumed is purchased from neighboring countries…..

Ok, let me complete it.
Electricity consumption 2021
121.459 Gw/h renewable and 138.540 Gw/h non renewable Total 259.999 Gw/h
Import/export 2021
Net balance of 852 Gw/h imported, 0.33% of total consumption.
Source: Red Eléctrica Española https://www.ree.es/es/datos/aldia where you can find this data and many more. Also available in English.

 

[Sierra1]

Well, y'all are safe since I am not part of the decision making on the planet. I do support reducing harmful emissions where/when we can. But you will never convince me that man is the sole cause of this warming period. Nor will I believe that if man was removed completely from the Earth, the warming would stop.

The graph shows carbon emissions, presumably from man. Is there a graph of carbon emissions produce in/by nature? Volcanoes and or natural methane pockets? Wildfires are not a product of global warming. I learned in school that we had become so good at fighting forest fires that we were creating a potential future problem. In nature, when forest fires are started by lightning. All of the undergrowth, and smaller trees burn. Thins the herd. But now we've stopped so many of them, so quickly, so well, that all that undergrowth remains and turns into future fuel. So that when a fire starts, that we can't stop quickly, it has a bunch more fuel. More fuel, more heat, more trees, more cities burned.

Look, I have my beliefs, and y'all have yours. And I way too old to be changing very much. So, I won't hold your beliefs against y'all . . . . as long as y'all don't hold mine against me.

 

[fac191]

No-ones gonna hold anything against anyone. Respecting one another is the main thing on here. And anyway you got a Submarine so you get even more Respect.

 

[magic]

I see plenty of evidence to support the scientific communities theories on global warming. Their findings are based on years of research and data collection. Just look at the shrinking polar ice caps, glaciers and record high temperatures that are set every year. Yes, the earth has gone through many of these cycles, but over a period of many many years. The man made carbon emissions have simply accelerated this process.

I think most of us are in the 40-70 year old age bracket. (66 here). I remember many summers not that long ago where we did not have one single day where the temperature was over 90F, 32C for our metric friends. This year that number was 15. Summers are getting longer and hotter. Point is, this is happening in a relatively short period of time...our lifetimes.

 

[Bill_C]

It's obvious that we all hold to our views firmly and likely won't be changing them. I used to have very strong views about climate change based upon what I'd heard and what I have seen with regards to environmental change. The problem was, I've been around long enough to see predictions not come true... not even close. So, I sought answers and wanted to know how bad it really is. Climate change is real, on that we all agree, but how severe is it?
I had my views changed when I came across Dr. William Happer, physicist and former professor at Princeton; the man who literally wrote the book on climate forecast and the effect of CO2 on the climate. I would encourage everyone to look him up, read his work on climate forecasting and then be willing to question your position and who you should believe; news anchors and politicians or the man whose life has been dedicated to this stuff.
I doubt it will sway your opinions one way or the other, but you might just learn a thing or two about the complexity of predicting climate change and the impact that CO2 has in relation to the far larger role H2O has on climate change and the elevation of the earth's temperature.

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[Sierra1]

. . . . And anyway you got a Submarine . . . .

I don't have one, but I've thrown up on a few.

 

[fac191]

I think it will be the Kids who will be the driving force behind behind any real change as they are the Consumers and Customers of the Future and Businesses ignore Consumers and Customers at their peril, and it is their Future so they actually have a real investment in it. I dont see them being as easily bought as previous generations have been. They also are very social media Savvy.

 

[Quique]

Sierra, it is true that I am passionate defending my ideas, but I never intended to disrespect you. We are just talking and that's all. Also, there is no coalition against you. I will be critic to fac to prove that. I wasn't before because there is a long time spent behind my messages trying to find information and looking for the best way to write them.

fac, This time I must disagree with you. Not because we can, we always do it. I will give the example of the coal. Spain, the UK and other European countries have coal and we have used it for a long time, until we realized that it wasn't good for the environment. We have stopped using coal for environmental reasons. There were 45 K miners in Spain a few years ago, now they are two thousand and they will loose their jobs soon. In 2015 coal thermal generated 15% of our electricity, now it is 1% and it will be zero in 2026. Nobody likes to see 45 K people unemployed but we did it anyway for environmental reasons, same as in other European countries.

 

[fac191]

No worries. I was talking more historically though. The Coal Industry here was destroyed by Politics not any green agenda. And it was never replaced by anything either. It is also easier for some Countries to move over to other types of energy. For the USA for instance it will not be due to the amount of domestic fuel demand for their vehicles. But anything done is good. I believe Europe is heating at twice the rate which drives the need for change there. I think you have identified aswell the loss of Jobs. We think short term because putting food on the table will come before how we cook it or where it comes from and you cant argue with that. Without planning on how we will provide work for people who will be out of a job its hard to sell a green agenda. Computers and robots have had a huge toll on jobs already. Media is just a drug dealer to consumerism. I believe if there is not a seperation between money and politics money will win.

 

[Jlq1969]

Creo que también has identificado la pérdida de puestos de trabajo. Pensamos a corto plazo porque poner la comida en la mesa vendrá antes de cómo la cocinamos o de dónde viene y no puedes discutir con eso. Sin planificar cómo proporcionaremos trabajo a las personas que estarán sin trabajo, es difícil vender una agenda verde. Los ordenadores y los robots ya han tenido un gran impacto en los puestos de trabajo. Los medios de comunicación son solo un traficante de drogas para el consumismo. Creo que si no hay una separación entre el dinero y la política, el dinero ganará.

Economists warn that as bad as it is today… it will get worse in 20 years. They compare the percentage of retired people with their own home….with the scenario that will come in a few years (retired people “without” their own home)….with pension systems that will not be enough to pay rent and eat/live….. today's active young people prefer to consume/travel today to save for the future…..they don't want to have a house because it ties them to a place, and rent prices are more convenient today than to go into debt to buy a property…
That is the scenario proposed by classical economists "retired people, with a poor pension...without a home of their own"…..compared to what modern economists propose to young people: "digital market, cryptocurrencies, telecommuting, 4 days of work per week, investing instead of saving, etc…etc….”

 

[Checkswrecks]

I think it will be the Kids who will be the driving force behind behind any real change as they are the Consumers and Customers of the Future and Businesses ignore Consumers and Customers at their peril, and it is their Future so they actually have a real investment in it. I dont see them being as easily bought as previous generations have been. They also are very social media Savvy.

People usually say I'm the guy with the too-rosy glasses but I've worked around the world for enough decades to know how most of it is poor and going to stay that way. What that means in real terms is that "the kids" will continue to grow up in places where they do whatever it is they believe necessary to survive, with more of the rich getting richer, outnumbered by the poor getting poorer. China has worked hard to grow it's middle class out of poverty but a common thing in South America, parts of Asia, and Africa (I took the photo in Ethiopia 3 years ago) is to choke in towns because they burn sticks to make charcoal. Your eyes constantly water and life expectancy in those places sucks. It got so extreme in Haiti that they have no wood left to burn.

Plus power for air conditioning is a major pollution creator in the developed world, not the use of gas & diesel. It's a nasty cycle too, because as things get warmer yet more power needed by the increasing number of people who can afford a basic luxury like A/C.

 

[fac191]

People usually say I'm the guy with the too-rosy glasses but I've worked around the world for enough decades to know how most of it is poor and going to stay that way. What that means in real terms is that "the kids" will continue to grow up in places where they do whatever it is they believe necessary to survive, with more of the rich getting richer, outnumbered by the poor getting poorer. China has worked hard to grow it's middle class out of poverty but a common thing in South America, parts of Asia, and Africa (I took the photo in Ethiopia 3 years ago) is to choke in towns because they burn sticks to make charcoal. Your eyes constantly water and life expectancy in those places sucks. It got so extreme in Haiti that they have no wood left to burn.

Plus power for air conditioning is a major pollution creator in the developed world, not the use of gas & diesel. It's a nasty cycle too, because as things get warmer yet more power needed by the increasing number of people who can afford a basic luxury like A/C.

Unfortunatly i do agree with you. So much corruption as well. I have worked with a guy for 15yrs and every time he goes back to his home town in Africa the Chief of Police is waiting for him
" What have you got for me Robert "
But you do have to have some hope.

 

[Quique]

We better be positive. Spain had half a million green jobs in 2019. Today, my electricity has had 41% renewable origin (it has been a bad day, yesterday was 60%) and Ive had electricity all day long of course.
I think that corruption is the mother of all evils. We could add greed and ignorance. Where's all the aid money that we gave to Haiti? Nobody watches at that? Half to the Haitian corrupted ones and half to some greedy ones in so called donors countries?