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Clawdog60

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I plan on being more vigilant about checking pressure especially on long trips. Should with any cycle tire but, you know how things go. 38 psi seems to be right.
 

Madscrapper85

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Usual FortNine good job. I caught that "I could hardly feel the difference" too and liked his summary about it being up to the individual to judge his/her trade-offs.

His talk about lack of redundancy is what I was talking about in Post #145 of this thread and elsewhere. Keep the pressure up.
Please don't take what I said as dislike I loved the video I am more than ecstatic that he rode Darkside and then made the video speaks volumes to his character and the clout of his channel. I just disagreed with that specific part.

I know my specific situation with a ws60 blizzak 205/50r17 on the Strom. The Rotary tire machine has a hard time dismounting the bead. And taking it off is definitely harder than putting it on for myself.
 
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Tombstone

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The difficulty in breaking the bead hasn't been noticeable to me for DS tires. I use the bead breaker on my HF tire changer for both types of tires. I'll pay more attention next time to see if I can discern a difference.
The first time I tried a DS tire was on a Kawasaki cruiser, I was told to run low pressure...for some reason. I had 18 psi (as recommended) in the tire for hundreds of miles before I realized that was bad advice, and fluffed it up to an acceptable pressure. Live and learn.
 
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RonH

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Not something to be used on the super tenere for most riders, but they have their place where they do work. On my GL1800 goldwing I enjoy using a car tire more for safety than long life. No worry of overload, overheating and resulting blowout that happens on the motorcycle rear tire. Motorcycle is used for 80mph+ straight line down the interstate commonly at 100 degrees. Car tire does the job very well and all 6 1/2" of tread is on the highway, not the 1" in the center that wears down flat and to the wear bars in 6,000 miles on a GL1800 with a motorcycle rear tire at 200 degree tire temp in hot weather and interstate speed.
 

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A video doesn't really trump first hand experience. We're all bored, but re-posting things that have already been posted isn't really helping. Especially on topics that deliberately stir the pot with firm opinions on both sides.
 
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ballisticexchris

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A video doesn't really trump first hand experience. We're all bored, but re-posting things that have already been posted isn't really helping. Especially on topics that deliberately stir the pot with firm opinions on both sides.
I could not agree more Eric!! Hard facts are so much easier to digest than someones opinion.

I thought the problems caused by the virus were pretty awful,, but if the current shelter-in- place induced boredom is responsible for the creation of yet another "darksiders are stupid" thread, then it's worse than I thought.
I hear that Ron!! I believe a rider aught to be able to choose any tire they want.

Two things that are fact and not an opinion: Automotive tires are engineered for automobiles. Motorcycle tires are engineered for motorcycles. Also an accident with a motorcycle that is running car tires will not be paid out by an insurance company if it is determined to be the cause of the accident.

It is at the discretion of the rider wether or not they want to disregard the intended purpose of the type of tire they choose to use. It is also at the discretion of the rider if they choose to pay out an accident claim out of pocket for using a tire not intended for use on a motorcycle.

This should put to rest the ongoing "opinions" of tire usage. I personally choose to use a tire that is engineered and legal to use on my bike. That's just me. I don't have the funds to pay an insurance claim out of pocket if someone is injured or killed because I chose to break the law.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 49 CFR 571.120 - Standard No. 120 clearly states under subtitle S3-S9.2, every single law pertaining to proper rim and tire use for every motor vehicle used on the highway. S3 - S5.1 will be used by the insurance company to deny any claim when comes to using an automotive tire on a motorcycle rim.
 

Madscrapper85

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Ah yes the old insurance won't pay bullshit. Please FIND ONE TIME THAT HAS HAPPEN?? Been involved in a Darkside tire thread in at least 5 fourms. Not one time, never have I found a single person that can show me this has ever happened. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to prove that the car tire was the sole cause of an accident it's next to impossible. It has a DOT # so it can be run on a bike I actually asked my agent and that was the response I got.
 
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ballisticexchris

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Ah yes the old insurance won't pay bullshit. Please FIND ONE TIME THAT HAS HAPPEN?? Been involved in a Darkside tire thread in at least 5 fourms. Not one time, never have I found a single person that can show me this has ever happened. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to prove that the car tire was the sole cause of an accident it's next to impossible. It has a DOT # so it can be run on a bike I actually asked my agent and that was the response I got.
I have no data that can prove that it's happened just as you have no data to prove that it has not. I can tell you that insurance adjusters will find any way they can to deny/disprove a claim. It would be very simple to prove a car tire mounted on a motorcycle rim was the cause of an accident. An example would be going through a corner and crashing. A good adjuster will deny that claim because of lack of contact patch on the ground or the rim not holding the bead securely.

BTW, an insurance agent's job is to sell you the insurance. An adjuster is totally different job. Their job is to disprove a claim so as not to pay out. And I do know that if the adjuster writes the words "Contributory Negligence" against your claim, you are going to be in for some serious litigation.

Please don't come down on the messenger. I'm only quoting the law as per NHTSA. It is entirely up to the individual how they choose to approach it.
 

Madscrapper85

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To claim your contributory negligence they would have to prove in a court that it would be so and deny the literal millions of miles ridden on car tires for over a decade now. Quit with your fear mongering unless you have proof to back up your claim, your lack of it is all the proof I need to claim it. If it was so it would be far and wide as there are many with your frame of mind that would love to say told you so across many a board in 100s of fourms. Find me a law that says you can't mount a car to on a motorcycle for that would be the only way they could not pay at least in the US
 
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RonH

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I'm not sure insurance adjusters are in any way motivated to deny claims for bogus reasons. My wife works sending out adjusters to certify the damage ect, but I don't think the company has a general policy saying anything to make the adjusters pinpick claims to minimize payout for something such as tires.
 
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