Stupid Crappy OEM side case locks

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fredz43 said:
My son is picking a low mileage pre owned S10 this week. It has the OEM panniers. I plan to help him locktite the screws...
I would not use Loctite on any fastener that threads into ABS plastic. Loctite makes the plastic brittle and will strip out immediately the next time that fastener is moved.
 

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Fredz43, the screws in the picture are NOT the ones needing locktite. There are itty bittty torx security screws that hold the lock core into the bag. Under a rubber cover. Not pictured here since my entire core fell out...
 

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UncaBuddha said:
Fredz43, the screws in the picture are NOT the ones needing locktite. There are itty bittty torx security screws that hold the lock core into the bag. Under a rubber cover. Not pictured here since my entire core fell out...
Thanks, do you access them after removing that ABS cover or are they on the outer side of the locks?
 

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This lock system is definitely not what we would like to have for the Yamaha Side Cases but we are not discussing would they could/should be though what they are and how to properly install and maintain them.

Fred, be careful about the information being shared. Haters rarely use/share complete information. Part of the reason they are haters.

If the Side Cases were new/unused the Latch would be pressed to the open position with a small wood screw securing the latch from the inside. This screw will be removed after the installation of the Lock (key). If the Side Cases are used and don't have the locks and the Latch is not secured open, you will need secure the Latch.

...The lock consists in two parts... the plastic latch and the metal lock (key).

...The plastic latch is built into the side case. It swivels around the hole for the lock (key). Lube the surface of the latch that swivels around the hole.

...The lock (key) has four pieces. The lock, a metal retaining plate, and two metal Torx screws.

...Insert the lock from the outside of the side case. Press the metal plate into the back of the lock. Screw the two metal Torx screws through the retaining plate into the lock. Use Blue Loctite for this metal to metal fastening.

...Press the Rubber Cap over the backside of the lock. I tape the latch secure screw to the inside of the rubber cap.

Hope this helps.
 

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Tomatocity, to whom are you referring about haters and incomplete info? Me? WTFO?

Okay, I've had three different arms up into the case trying to push the plastic latch (hook) sideways. It isn't moving. When I push the hook on the opened left case it moves without much trouble.
I'm getting set to use the dremel tool and cut the hinge pins. Then I can open the case from the hinge end and see what I"m doing. Shouldn't be too hard to find something to stick in the hinge holes when I"m done. Too drastic?

Thanks fellas...
 

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UncaBuddha said:
Tomatocity, to whom are you referring about haters and incomplete info? Me? WTFO?

Okay, I've had three different arms up into the case trying to push the plastic latch (hook) sideways. It isn't moving. When I push the hook on the opened left case it moves without much trouble.
I'm getting set to use the dremel tool and cut the hinge pins. Then I can open the case from the hinge end and see what I"m doing. Shouldn't be too hard to find something to stick in the hinge holes when I"m done. Too drastic?

Thanks fellas...
Did you try this...

I have a crashed OEM Side Case and decided to see if I could open the Lock by moving the Hook. Done!

http://www.harborfreight.com/pick-and-hook-set-7-pc-69592.html

This is difficult for me to explain ??? If you want to get a good look at the mechanics of the latch... remove the lock from the other side case (lid open) and look inside.

Use the tool 2nd or 3rd from the left. Push the tip into the bottom of the lock hole. Work the tip down while you lightly pull back and maybe favor the right. The tip should drop next to a tab that retains a small horizontal spring. If you feel the spring you are too far too left. When the tip is in far enough... rotate it to the left while lightly pressing down on the lid to help release the lock (hook).
 

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UncaBuddha said:
Tomatocity,
Does this lock picking technique work when there is no lock core in the hole?
Thanks.
Speaking for Tomatocity :)

Yes, What your doing is moving the Latch with the picks from the outside of the Case where the lock core is supposed to be. There should be nothing from preventing the latch to swing back to unlatch the lid as long as you push down on the lid to get the latch past the hook in top cover. As I mentioned in my previous post, it only took me a minute get mine open and put everything back together with locktite.
 

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Koinz said:
Speaking for Tomatocity :)

Yes, What your doing is moving the Latch with the picks from the outside of the Case where the lock core is supposed to be. There should be nothing from preventing the latch to swing back to unlatch the lid as long as you push down on the lid to get the latch past the hook in top cover. As I mentioned in my previous post, it only took me a minute get mine open and put everything back together with locktite.
I picked the lock of the top case with a thing piece of metal and a flathead in 5 minutes. Not only do the locks need to be treated like precious little babies, they're also not very secure. I'm pretty sure that if I didn't care to break them, I could just pry it open in a jiffy.

Anyway, I'm done with these things. New panniers are coming in on Monday.
 

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UncaBuddha said:
Tomatocity,
Does this lock picking technique work when there is no lock core in the hole?
Thanks.
Yes. I picked the Latch of the broken side case I have been saving as parts.
 

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Yep.. ::026::
When i bought my first XT660 Tenere back in 2008 Yamaha were having exactly the same problems with the silver cases then.

I always have been biased towards Yamaha and find it strange that they have not improved the locks by now.

Everyone expects this sort of thing from BMW but not from the land of the rising sun.
 

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IMO the Locks are not that bad if they are installed correctly with Blue Loctite and a dose of lube in the key way. The problem is with the plastic on plastic Latch that is not lubed. The Latch is as good as it is going to be when it is new. A little lube should help but you have to remove the key lock to lube the latch.
 

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tomatocity said:
IMO the Locks are not that bad if they are installed correctly with Blue Loctite and a dose of lube in the key way. The problem is with the plastic on plastic Latch that is not lubed. The Latch is as good as it is going to be when it is new. A little lube should help but you have to remove the key lock to lube the latch.
What do you lube with, silicone spray?
 

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Personally I use a Dry Graphite Spray. Goes on Wet, then Dries. This keeps dust and crap from gunking up the mechanism.
 

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Koinz said:
Personally I use a Dry Graphite Spray. Goes on Wet, then Dries. This keeps dust and crap from gunking up the mechanism.
What he said, but... if you don't have that use something else. You can always clean and lube later.
 

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I asked my lock smith, and he recommended "Tri Flo". It comes in small spray cans, like a small can of WD-40. It is the only lube I have used in my OEM side and top case locks. They have been through three lousy snow storms, and rain (4 hours at one stretch), and dust, and they are working normally, with zero problems. I did the install of the locks following all the advice from this forum, which I am sure has saved me much grief! Don't know what is in Tri Flo, but it is working for my locks. ::008::
 

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Adding to this old thread: today one of my OEM case cores fell out. As discussed above, tiny torx screws got undone and the front part (the one you stick the key into) of the core fell out. That said, the plastic cover did keep the rear part in place and I was able to easily open and remove the case by using a pair of manicure (wife's) scissors - insert the scissors into two holes left vacant by torx screws, twist and... presto!
 
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