Curious, as when I left the front sensor off after a tire change the speedo was inop till I reconnected the sensor.WJBertrand said:
SPEEDOMETER?
- Thread starter lynnsox
- Start date
1954
New Member
Hopefully Speedohealer will have something available in the near future. I am only interested in a plug and play device. I sent an email to Yamaha customer service asking if the speedometer can be calibrated and all they said was no. Big help there. I think the older bikes probably have a completely different operating system than the 2014+ model years. No ABS, no cruise, is there different modes? I don't know. When I bought my bike I found a brand new 2013 year model for 11,000.00. When I called the dealer I asked if it had cruise and ABS he said no. Since I wanted the cruise control I passed on it even though I could have saved 3500.00 over what I paid for my 2016 demo with 500 KM on it.
EricV
Riding, farkling, riding...
2011 Site Supporter
2012 Site Supporter
2013 Site Supporter
2014 Site Supporter
You're not paying attention to what you are being told. We are trying to help you.
All Super Teneres from 2010 on have ABS. Gen II bikes started with 2014, and yes got cruise control at that time.
Never take a salesman's word for anything w/o verifying for yourself.
I put 109k miles on a 2012 and installed a Healtech Speed-O-Healer with gear indicator myself. You only need to cut ONE wire, the VSS signal wire. Its just not that hard. Go read the install instructions before you wait for"plug and play" options.
Or just buy a GPS and use that for your speedo. Lots do just that.
All Super Teneres from 2010 on have ABS. Gen II bikes started with 2014, and yes got cruise control at that time.
Never take a salesman's word for anything w/o verifying for yourself.
I put 109k miles on a 2012 and installed a Healtech Speed-O-Healer with gear indicator myself. You only need to cut ONE wire, the VSS signal wire. Its just not that hard. Go read the install instructions before you wait for"plug and play" options.
Or just buy a GPS and use that for your speedo. Lots do just that.
Ramseybella
Well-Known Member
I have a 21" front wheel on my Tenere and know it's 5 miles an hour under what it's reading.
Get a GPS and look at both the GPS is most spot on.
Then you know how far over or under you need to go, if i am suppose to be at 55 i bring it to 59-60 simple.
I am still wondering how this effects the odometer reading?
Get a GPS and look at both the GPS is most spot on.
Then you know how far over or under you need to go, if i am suppose to be at 55 i bring it to 59-60 simple.
I am still wondering how this effects the odometer reading?
1954 -1954 said:
While the salesman "upsold" you into the more expensive bike, you did benefit with the cruise and a few other features which make the post-2013 Gen2 bikes a more desirable bike. No worries.
What Eric wrote is correct, in that the Gen1 and Gen2 bikes are not that different. There is not a different operating system. The ABS and speedometer systems are identical, other than in processing the signal the later bike ECU multiplies by a slightly different number to convert to speed from wheel revolutions. That's it. As for installation, here is a thread from installing a Speedohealer on a Gen1 bike with play-by-play photos:
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1625.0
It sounds like you are somebody would be uncomfortable cutting a wire on a spiffy new bike to install a speedohealer and that's fine. Dealers install all sorts of accessories so you could take a copy of that thread and the speedohealer instructions to ask your dealer's service manager if they would do it for you.
btw - The speed calculation is based on tire circumference, so the speedohealer may get you slightly closer but will not always be completely accurate either. This is because motorcycle tires change diameter and circumference as they wear. Those changes can be even larger when you change tire brands and models.
The two are different because the digital input (actually an AC wave generated by the magnetic pulses at the wheel sensor) is split to go to the odometer counter as opposed to the speed calculation. It's not like the old days when the two were forever connected by a couple of little gears.Ramseybella said:I have a 21" front wheel on my Tenere and know it's 5 miles an hour under what it's reading.
Get a GPS and look at both the GPS is most spot on.
Then you know how far over or under you need to go, if i am suppose to be at 55 i bring it to 59-60 simple.
I am still wondering how this effects the odometer reading?
(As a reference for others, Ramseybella is on a Gen1 bike and the Gen1 bikes read about 8% off.)
1954
New Member
I was not "upsold" by the dealer. The bike I bought and the older new bike were at different dealerships. While I paid more for the bike I decided on, I still saved a bunch by getting a demo. As far as not being comfortable cutting wires and changing a few connectors to get a Speedohealer to work, that is not the case at all. This is a brand new bike and if something is not going to fit and look as if it came with the bike, I don't want it on there. That is just the way I like my new vehicles to be.When this bike is 5 years old I may start hacking in to things. And I never pay a dealer to do anything other than tires. As far as getting a GPS, thats how this banter got started. I got a Garmin Zumo and found out how far out the speedo was.
EricV
Riding, farkling, riding...
2011 Site Supporter
2012 Site Supporter
2013 Site Supporter
2014 Site Supporter
Sorry, you're still losing me. The Speed-O-Healer goes under the seat or tucked away under plastic. No one will ever see it unless you choose to show them, and then, it will look just like any other Speed-O-Healer install unless they start removing panels to see where all the wires go. No part of it ever gets mounted in a visible location.1954 said:
As far as being a brand new bike goes, unless it's got zero miles and is sitting on the show room floor, it's just another used bike. USE IT. It's not worth any more to anyone else, in fact, it's worth less than you paid for it already. Nature of the beast. So make it what YOU want it to be.
Our multiple points are simply that you were mis-informed about the differences between the bikes. You can buy the correct OEM connector for power on the Gen II bikes from Eastern Beaver, or install one of their PC-8 fuse block systems and tap power there. As said before, go read the installation instructions for the Healtech Speed-O-Healer and see what's involved. That's for their standard kit for the '12/'13 bikes. You may be required to cut a wire in that kit too, I haven't read it.
If the issue really bothers you this much, just deal with it. If it doesn't, no biggie, ::021::.
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
I was thinking maybe there is a default when the sensor is completely trashed and out of the circuit vs. just not sending a signal but still connected? Dunno...Checkswrecks said:
outdoor
Active Member
My 2020 with oem batwing tires shows 8 to 10 kmph faster than actual
Tenman
Well-Known Member
After 10 years. I still hate my speedo. Every Japanese bike I’ve ever had was this way
Mine too. Grrr
I put a speedo healer on back in 2013. Once I got it adjusted, it has been dead on with my GPS ever since. I like looking down and seeing what my speed is without having to do math every time.
Look on the bright side. Depending on what the speed limit is at the time you see the cop, that 8-10 kmph, might prevent a ticket.
2aroundtheworld
Active Member
Well count me in the club of disappointed owners who came to realize the large speedometer difference (2012)...
RCinNC
Well-Known Member
I can see this being an issue if the speedometer read too low, since that would constantly put you at risk of getting a ticket, but why is it so bothersome to some riders if the speedo reads higher than your actual speed? What's the actual, tangible downside to a speedometer that reads 5 MPH over your actual speed?
Cycledude
Well-Known Member
Just annoying, and if you drive a bunch of different vehicles it’s easy to make a mistake on your actual speed, seems like it should be pretty easy for companies to build an accurate speedometer these days.
The real sanction that matters to the factory, is not that of the user….it is the sanction that can be applied to the factory….if the speedometer shows “less speed” than the real one….so they take the margin of error as a safeguard of themselves… the error must be measured in %…5%, 7% of the real speed….in my particular case, the vehicle that I drive marks 7% more than the gps….but if I set the "average speed" to zero... and I drive x miles with cruise activated, without decreasing or increasing... the "average speed" is exact with GPS... but the speedometer is reading 7% more
RCinNC
Well-Known Member
I'm sure any vehicle company can make an accurate speedometer, but Checkswrecks already provided a pretty logical, coherent argument for why they don't. And more to the point, the facts he presented explain pretty thoroughly why the vehicle makers shouldn't make one that's accurate from the factory, and should build in a tolerance for both wear on original tires and for different tire sizes that an owner might be using.
As far as having multiple vehicles, I'm not sure of the relevance. Each of those vehicles has a speedometer; each vehicle can tell you if you're adhering to the legal speed limit, whether it's 35, or 55, or 70 or whatever. If one vehicle reads 4 percent over and one reads 6 percent over, so what? If you're driving in, say, a 70 mph zone, you're still safe in both vehicles (legally speaking, that is) if you're doing 70 mph. Is it really that important to be able to be in Car A and say "well in this car i can actually go 73mph and still be safe", and then be in Car B and say "well in this car I can actually go 75 mph and be safe"?. If you just go by the "70 mph" on the speedometer in both vehicles, you're good. And if you're going 80 mph in a 65 zone, you're going to be better off when the Trooper hits you with a radar gun, because your "inaccurate" speedometer means your ticket is going to be for maybe 76 mph and not 80. Not ideal, I know, but it's at least a cost savings, plus maybe the difference between a ticket and a ticket plus suspension.
I honestly can't see the importance in knowing exactly how fast you're going when you're just out driving the family car on a highway, or zipping around on a motorcycle, as long as you know that if you're riding at the posted limit on the speedometer, you're good. If I'm on a nice straight stretch of two lane road through farm country, and my super accurate speedo says I'm going 86.4 mph, how important is it that I know that? I already definitely know I'm going too fast for the conditions (because of things like deer, farm vehicles, hidden driveways) because my speedometer registers way above the posted 55 mph limit. Why is it important to know how much you're exceeding the legal limit, beyond being able to precisely calculate the speeding fine before the ticket is actually issued?
2aroundtheworld
Active Member
We are going to have to disagree on this one. Where I live the speed limit goes from 90 km/h to 70 km/h to 50 km/h and it sucks not knowing exactly where you are, especially if you are leading a group of bikes or there is a cop waiting to give you a ticket.
Also, until I read this thread I assumed that the odometer was also off by the same % which means the mpg was also inaccurate.
Now apparently I have to mentally adjust the speed by -8.9538% and the odometer by -3.123%.
And I am not even talking about Finland...
Finnish businessman hit with €121,000 speeding fine
Anders Wiklöf fell foul of system based on severity of offence and offender’s income
www.theguardian.com
"Wiklöf, the chairman and founder of a €350m-a-year holding company, said the speed limit changed “suddenly” from 70km/h to 50 when he was flashed at 82km/h."
oh and one last argument. I plan to do a TSD rally in September with the Tenere. I am not sure GPS are allowed in my class, so this should be entertaining...