Shifting problem

[Dwido]

Lately the shifting is not as smooth as it use to be.
So I put the bike on the center stand .
Put in 1st gear and and when I pulled the clutch leave tryed to spin the wheel it wasn't so easy as it was when in neutral.
Any ideas,what is the problem?
I'm going to start with changing the clutch fluid.

 

[yoyo]

That's fairly common, my bike is relatively easy to push around but put it in any gear with the clutch held in and its a different story.

The most likely cause is a dry shifter pivot, really common issue, pop the gear lever off and grease the point it pivots on, I'm sure that'll fix it.

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[Dwido]

That's fairly common, my bike is relatively easy to push around but put it in any gear with the clutch held in and its a different story.

The most likely cause is a dry shifter pivot, really common issue, pop the gear lever off and grease the point it pivots on, I'm sure that'll fix it.

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[Dwido]

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I didn't mention it ,but I cleaned and greased the pivot before.
But no improvement.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Shifting can be affected by a warped plate or disc in the clutch.

 

[OldRider]

Lately the shifting is not as smooth as it use to be.
So I put the bike on the center stand .
Put in 1st gear and and when I pulled the clutch leave tryed to spin the wheel it wasn't so easy as it was when in neutral.
Any ideas,what is the problem?
I'm going to start with changing the clutch fluid.

It's never going to be as easy to spin the wheel in gear as it is in neutral. Even with the clutch lever pulled in the clutch plates are going to have a lot of friction to overcome.

 

[Sierra1]

OldRider is right about being easier to spin/roll in neutral. But, this bike does seem to be more prone to rolling resistance (in gear with clutch in) than any other bike I've ridden. They all did/do it. . . . just not as much as this one. With the instant on/off throttle, this bike is amazingly easy to shift, up, without even using the clutch lever.

 

[Don in Lodi]

How long ago was your last oil change and what weight oil?

 

[Dwido]

How long ago was your last oil change and what weight oil?

It's about 10000 km from the last time I changed my oil,
So I'm going to change, and the clutch fluid.

 

[Squibb]

TBH, when it comes to long distance analysis here, I am far from clear precisely what the shifting problem is. Surely, on a cold engine, some clutch drag is inevitable, but it should reduce significantly once warmed up.

So, are we looking at a case of clutch drag, crunching gear changes. Is the lever action stiff or not returning to the median position promptly, is the lever at all floppy, or is there an issue with the clutch itself, maybe a warped plate or general wear? Then let's have the basics - Is the bike Gen1 or 2, what year, mileage & service /accident history. If a Gen 1, has the clutch basket been changed?

Let's see what the OP reports after a clutch line bleed & oil change; if the issue persists then a little more detail would be helpful please.

 

[Checkswrecks]

TBH, when it comes to long distance analysis here, I am far from clear precisely what the shifting problem is. Surely, on a cold engine, some clutch drag is inevitable, but it should reduce significantly once warmed up.

So, are we looking at a case of clutch drag, crunching gear changes. Is the lever action stiff or not returning to the median position promptly, is the lever at all floppy, or is there an issue with the clutch itself, maybe a warped plate or general wear? Then let's have the basics - Is the bike Gen1 or 2, what year, mileage & service /accident history. If a Gen 1, has the clutch basket been changed?

Let's see what the OP reports after a clutch line bleed & oil change; if the issue persists then a little more detail would be helpful please.

Best yet!

 

[Dwido]

TBH, when it comes to long distance analysis here, I am far from clear precisely what the shifting problem is. Surely, on a cold engine, some clutch drag is inevitable, but it should reduce significantly once warmed up.

So, are we looking at a case of clutch drag, crunching gear changes. Is the lever action stiff or not returning to the median position promptly, is the lever at all floppy, or is there an issue with the clutch itself, maybe a warped plate or general wear? Then let's have the basics - Is the bike Gen1 or 2, what year, mileage & service /accident history. If a Gen 1, has the clutch basket been changed?

Let's see what the OP reports after a clutch line bleed & oil change; if the issue persists then a little more detail would be helpful please.

 

[Dwido]

The bike is Gen1 2011,with 109,000km.
I don't know if the basket was changed.
The leaver is not stiff .
The clutch is not dragging.



I will start with simple things ,change the engine oil a and clutch fluid first.
Will update.
Sorry for the bad grammar.
Thanks for the help

 

[Dwido]

How long ago was your last oil change and what weight oil?

Motul 10 40 5100

 

[Nikolajsen]

Sorry for the bad grammar.

No problem, you are not alone

 

[BadNews]

The engine oil and the clutch fluid are the same. There are two bolts on the bottom of the drain pan, one drains the crankcase, the other drains the sump. There is no separate clutch fluid. The clutch is lubricated by the engine oil. If your oil is cold when you were spinning the wheel, that would cause more drag than if the oil is hot. So try it both ways to see if there is any difference. If there is no difference, then you likely do have a problem somewhere.
Sorry if this seems simple, but that's what I would do first.

 

[scott123007]

The engine oil and the clutch fluid are the same. There are two bolts on the bottom of the drain pan, one drains the crankcase, the other drains the sump. There is no separate clutch fluid. The clutch is lubricated by the engine oil. If your oil is cold when you were spinning the wheel, that would cause more drag than if the oil is hot. So try it both ways to see if there is any difference. If there is no difference, then you likely do have a problem somewhere.
Sorry if this seems simple, but that's what I would do first.

I "think" he is talking about the hydraulic fluid for the clutch, even though I can guarantee that is NOT the problem.

 

[jrusell]

Lately the shifting is not as smooth as it use to be.
So I put the bike on the center stand .
Put in 1st gear and and when I pulled the clutch leave tryed to spin the wheel it wasn't so easy as it was when in neutral.
Any ideas,what is the problem?
I'm going to start with changing the clutch fluid.

Perfectly normal. You do not have an issue.

 

[bigbob]

Sorry for the bad grammar.

Could you update your profile with your location, City and country. Since it is a 2011 I know not US or Canada.

I do not expect correct English grammar or spelling from people not in the US.

 

[Don in Lodi]

Could you update your profile with your location, City and country. Since it is a 2011 I know not US or Canada.

I do not expect correct English grammar or spelling from people not in the US.

You expect that from 'mercans?