Selling is dumb or just part of the addiction?

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AND, that's why they MAKE so many different ones. ::001::
This might be the first time I've ever been at a loss as to what bike I'd even want next. The one I thought I wanted (an FJR) just didn't seem to fit me all that well, and the seat height of all the ADV style bikes is starting to be a problem for my passenger as far as mounting and dismounting. I can't foresee going back to a cruiser, and I'm not ready for a 'Wing.
 

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This might be the first time I've ever been at a loss as to what bike I'd even want next. The one I thought I wanted (an FJR) just didn't seem to fit me all that well, and the seat height of all the ADV style bikes is starting to be a problem for my passenger as far as mounting and dismounting. I can't foresee going back to a cruiser, and I'm not ready for a 'Wing.
I'll prob get a Kaw Versys 1000 next year, love the Kaw inline4's and the size is comparable. Never fell in love with this twin.
Other than the V1K, I don't know what other bike I'd consider.
 

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RCinNC said:
This might be the first time I've ever been at a loss as to what bike I'd even want next. The one I thought I wanted (an FJR) just didn't seem to fit me all that well, and the seat height of all the ADV style bikes is starting to be a problem for my passenger as far as mounting and dismounting. I can't foresee going back to a cruiser, and I'm not ready for a 'Wing.
That's kinda where I am too. The bike is slightly bigger and heavier than ideal, but it really has had that nature of doing most anything well, like a Chevy Tahoe or Toyota Land Cruiser. I've had a lot of Japanese 4 cylinder bikes and they are fun for a while but seem to melt into a "same as" stew. Twins just seem to have a bit more character.
 

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One of my issues is that I do a lot of two-up riding, and that means a lot of gear, even when you're being spartan, and especially when your ride takes you through diverse climates. The sport touring bikes, with their style conscious (but inefficient) luggage systems, just don't provide the storage space we need. I think one of my Duratool cases on the S10 has more usable volume than both panniers on an FJR. I couldn't say if the Versys would be an alternative; I've never actually seen one close up.
 

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I'm a function over form kinda guy. My Tenere fits the bill. I haven't found another bike that can complete the functions that I want it to do for the price or with the reliability. It is my daily driver. My Jeep is relegated to crappy weather use. Don't discount the Gold Wing. I'm not a fan of Honda or the GW, but.... It handles better, and accelerates MUCH better than I expected. (always thought of it as an old man's bike). Passenger comfort, long distance ability, and cargo capacity is going to be hard to beat. (still not going to get one).
 

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I agree that the 'Wing has a lot of great features, but I'm a one bike guy for now, and that's not the one bike I want.

I also agree with your evaluation of the S10; it pretty much mirrors my own. It's just getting tougher on my passenger to clamber up onto the thing. And once you get used to the excellent load carrying ability and practical luggage of the S10 (and ADV bikes in general), there don't seem to be too many bikes that fit the bill if you factor out the ADV style bikes. Especially when, like you, the S10 is my daily driver, which includes everything up to grocery shopping. I can get a decent sized load of groceries in two side cases and a top case; that might be a lot tougher in the weird shaped panniers that are on all the sport touring bikes.
 

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I had added a top box to my FJR (GIVI), and it made a big difference in how much I could carry. Combined with strapping anything extra to the passenger seat (like the tool bag I used at the time), I made a few long distance work trips on it. Once I got the Tenere, the FJR was pretty much done, as the ST was more comfortable and versatile. Now, I would be happy just to be back on 2 wheels...
 

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RCinNC said:
....I can get a decent sized load of groceries in two side cases and a top case; that might be a lot tougher in the weird shaped panniers that are on all the sport touring bikes.

I can put a case, 24 12oz cans, in the Tenere's side box. The 'Wing's cases hold more, but are odd shaped; my neighbor has to bungee his case of liquid refreshment to the seat of his 'Wing. The Tenere's OE boxes are deceptively spacious. ::001::
 
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I carry two 30 packs commonly on the Tenere. Sometimes two 30 packs plus a box of wine, and maybe a 1.75L bottle of Vodka. All this fits nice and clean on the passenger seat/ rear rack using ROK straps. Can't beat this motorcycle for being a workhorse. I have the Goldwing as well, but using straps instead of relying on bags and trunk I can haul bigger items, and more items on the Super Tenere vs.the GL1800.
 

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These points about load carrying ability really illustrate why it's a tough bike to get rid of. In my Harley days I had a Road King, which I took on a couple of trips out to the West. The RK is supposedly a touring bike, but I still ended up strapping a T-Bag to the passenger backrest, and bungee cording stuff to the passenger seat. It looked like the Joad's truck from The Grapes of Wrath. On the S10, my girlfriend and I have taken ten day trips together, and the only thing I had on the bike beyond the panniers and top case was a tank bag. I can't imagine that with the FJR, or an ST, or Concours. Right now the only sport touring bikes I can think of that have reasonably shaped panniers are probably a 1200RT and a Trophy. They still wouldn't be ideal for day to day utility like the S10 with panniers, but at least they're kind of square.
 

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Sold my 3rd Tenere Last year. I’ve owned a 13,14 and a 15ES. And now I’m looking at another. Can’t shake my Ténéré buying and selling addiction. The bike is truly famtastic. And I think the bike from 14 and newer was worlds better than my 13. The electronic cruise is something I don’t think I could do without again. So for me as long as I get a 14 or newer it’s basically the same bike. Not sure if there are any differences at all between a 14 and an 18 besides colors. Yamaha has built a great bike here. Good luck to ya. I’d sell it. I think the reason resale is so low is because everyone wants the 14 or newer. And it’s a Yamaha and not a bmw it will always drop faster than that name brand of bike. Even though the Yamaha may arguably be the better bike.
 

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I'm guessing that you're in the business of "flipping" the Teneres? 'Cuz you're right, there's not many differences within the generations. And there wouldn't be much advantage to switching bikes so frequently. (especially if financing) When I get a vehicle, it's one that want/love; most vehicles will satisfy the need(s). Then I customize/improve on what the factory built until I have, to me, the perfect machine. I guess that's why I've had so few bikes/cars. I usually don't replace them until they're worn out; at which time there's new/cooler stuff on the market that does the job much better. (I frequently get teased about my lack of desire for change) "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" ::001::
 

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I wish if I were flipping them I was making money on them. But I never come out on top. Ever. But that’s just part of the deal I guess. I don’t expect to make money on them and I’m never disappointed when I don’t. When I sell them I know I’ll lose money. Also I never finance a bike if at all possible. Can’t say I never have but typically would never finance a bike. Cash or don’t buy it. Maybe I should finance one. It may give me incentive to keep it longer. Last time I sold my 15 I was set on buying another GSA which would have been my 4th GSA having owned a 08 twice and an 09. My only justification for buying another GSA is that large 9 gallon tank. Makes my 360 mile commute to work each way a little more possible without refueling so much. But then I ride one and remember that it is constant possibilities of problems with the beemers. And also I’m on sort of a budget since in the past 4 months I’ve bought a 2014 KTM 300XC a 2013 KTM 250XC and a 2012 Sherco 300 ST Trials bike. But I’ve got the Sherco sold and will be part of my Ténéré Budget. And now having owned the 2014, 2015 Tenere with electronic cruise I’m not sure I can own another big bike without it. It’s just to nice for my commute. I think my days of throttle locks are over.


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Dang. Is that a daily commute? Round trip at least?

Assuming his user name is also his job title, it is common for fire personnel to work 24hr on duty & 48hr off; once every three days. I knew one that lived in my neck of the woods, and worked in Austin; 3.5hr drive each way. Some guys think it's worth it. I think the "work one day every three" is a cool schedule, but I would still live local.
 
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Assuming his user name is also his job title, it is common for fire personnel to work 24hr on duty & 48hr off; once every three days. I knew one that lived in my neck of the woods, and worked in Austin; 3.5hr drive each way. Some guys think it's worth it. I think the "work one day every three" is a cool schedule, but I would still live local.
Ah. Yes, good point. And he did say "each way." :-\

Heck of a hike. But, ya, I guess worth it, especially if ya like where ya live!
 

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Sorry to say that I'm once again feeling the need to get something different. I hardly get to ride anymore. Since March I've put 2000 miles on the 2016 XSR900, and probably the same on the 2012 Super Tenere.

I'm stupidly feeling that I can get close to the buying price of a leftover 2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S if I offload both Yamahas now that KTM is doing end of year sales.

My gripe with the S10 is that it is heavy and the engine has never made me grin like a fool. I've owned it since new in August 2011. You all already know that it is a fundamentally competent 2-wheeler that can do just about anything.

My gripe with the XSR is that the suspension is bad and the layout is impractical in that it is physically small. Chassis is kind of weird. Unstable, and not just because it is sporty. It is very easily upset. Maybe I've just gotten used to the weight of the S10, who knows? Roads are bad all around here so the bumps are an issue. Upside to the smallness is the very low weight. The engine is truly a gem of thing in the motorcycle world. Pops the front end up with a half throttle twist over any rise in the road. Big smiles on those occasions.

Problem is that what I really want is a Tenere that weighs maybe 75 pounds less with an engine that is thrilling. I know that the Tracer 900 sounds just like that, but at $13k MSRP for the GT model, I'm pretty sure it will still suffer from the budget suspension and the suspension travel is small for the kind of crap pavement around here.

Since I can't really find time to ride anymore, and the good roads are several hours from my house. For some reason it is in my head that a KTM 1290 SA-S makes sense.

I do all my own maintenance and hate going to dealers. People like to bash KTM because of the 1190 series problems, but I'm not seeing so much with the 1290 bikes.

My kids are 2 and 4, so it will still be a number of years before I can get them to go on trail rides on crappy dirt bikes. Once they're at that stage, my bike budget will be blown on buying not only those bikes but a truck to move them.

Seize the day, roll the dice: buy the KTM....or keep the pair of Yamahas that both have drawbacks to how I ride nowadays? Talk me off the cliff....or not.
 

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....My gripe with the S10 is that it is heavy and the engine has never made me grin like a fool....
My two cents: Put the thing in "S" and let 'er rip. It won't do anything for the "weight", which I don't seem to feel, but if the motor doesn't get your pulse racing then, buy an FJR. The ONLY thing that I miss from the FJR is the motor. The Tenere blows my skirt in every other aspect. And, if you don't get to ride much, why spend money on a bike that you won't get to ride....keep the "paid for" bike(s).
 
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