Scotts Steering Stabilizer - update

[Bill310]

I wrote Scotts to inquire about whether or not they are going to have a Steering Stabilizer available for the Super Tenere.

Apparently, they need to have some pent up demand before they will put one into design and then production. I spoke to Scotts and the gentleman who I spoke to told me that I should email him and request that I be put on their list of interested buyers. When they have sufficient interest they will proceed. He told me until they have an idea they will sell at least 50 stabilizers they will not proceed with production.

I was hoping that individuals who are interested in a Scotts for their S-10 might join the list of "interested" parties.

If this is of some interest to you email Jake Hulsebus jake@scottsonline.com and express your interest in a Scotts Steering Stabilizer and ask to be put on the list for notification.

Many thanks

 

[ptfjjj]

What exactly does this do for me?

 

[Bill310]

Read this link

http://www.scottsperformance.com/scotts.php


If you are in loose gravel, deep gravel, road construction or sand they are quite helpful

I have a Scotts on my 990

 

[pqsqac]

Wow those puppies aren't cheap another reason to stay on the blacktop. ;D

Read this link

http://www.scottsperformance.com/scotts.php


If you are in loose gravel, deep gravel, road construction or sand they are quite helpful

I have a Scotts on my 990

 

[martinh]

Wow those puppies aren't cheap another reason to stay on the blacktop. ;D

They are not just for dirt. They work great on blacktop also. They are extremely adjustable for what ever type of riding you do.

 

[stevepsd]

They are not just for dirt. They work great on blacktop also. They are extremely adjustable for what ever type of riding you do.

Just remember that there are two different stabilizers...a dirt-bike model (dampens as you turn the bars away from the center, but no damping on the return to center) and a street-bike version that dampens in both directions.

Almost all of the Adv type bikes would use the Road-bike version of the stabilizer (most of the time).

I have used a Scotts stabilizer on my dirt bike for years, would not want to ride off-road without one!

Here is the write-up from Scotts on the differences:

The Difference between Road Bike and Dirt Bike Stabilizers

Scotts manufactures 2 different stabilizers, a road bike version and an off-road version.
Both units share the same physical size and appearance, the main differences are in the
valving design. Below is a very brief description of the differences between the 2 styles.
The off-road damper is a non-rebound stabilizer, which means, as it sweeps away from
center it has damping but the moment it changes direction back toward center the
damping is free until it reaches center again, hence the term non-rebound or free-rebound.
This was an important development in the off-road damper and is what makes our
damper work so well. Its design is to allow the rider to correct for constant slides
associated with off-roading while not fighting with the damping forces back to center.
It's a serious advantage for the off-road rider. This feature helps prevent the common
syndrome known as arm pump. Our stabilizer is the only one made with this feature.

The road bike damper design requires a totally different function and therefore is a
rebound damper. A road bike is primarily leaned, not steered, and the damping forces
need to be absorbed in both directions to maintain constant stability, due to the nature of
the energy needing to be absorbed.

Can they be interchanged? Yes.

Are you receiving all the advantages you could by using the off road unit on a road bike
application or vice versa? No.

Is there a giant difference? That would be individual opinion. Using your dirt bike
damper on your road bike would still be a vast improvement over no damper at all and
the same goes for using a road bike damper on a dirt bike. Some customers, who have
tried switching from one to the other, say they feel no difference. Others claim there is a
huge difference. So you see, it's truly personal preference. There are other internal
differences between the 2 stabilizers that would take a lot longer to explain. The best bet
is always to use the right damper for the right application. However, we could not tell
you that they don't work when switched for the other application, it's just that they work
better when used as designed for the right application.

There are always specific applications that might favor one type or the other depending
on the situation. We make our suggestions based on our testing and what the majority of
our customer base prefers. You have the option to specify whichever unit you prefer
when ordering.

 

[fender5803]

I wrote Scotts to inquire about whether or not they are going to have a Steering Stabilizer available for the Super Tenere.

Apparently, they need to have some pent up demand before they will put one into design and then production. I spoke to Scotts and the gentleman who I spoke to told me that I should email him and request that I be put on their list of interested buyers. When they have sufficient interest they will proceed. He told me until they have an idea they will sell at least 50 stabilizers they will not proceed with production.

I was hoping that individuals who are interested in a Scotts for their S-10 might join the list of "interested" parties.

If this is of some interest to you email Jake Hulsebus jake@scottsonline.com and express your interest in a Scotts Steering Stabilizer and ask to be put on the list for notification.

Many thanks

I know this post is old but have just asked Jake at Scotts the same question about availability of a damper for the S10. He wrote right back saying no not available. Then I came across this old post. Thanks Bill for the info. I guess they don't have 50 requests yet. Too bad. I have felt much much better knowing I had mine with me a,t all times on my DL650 Strom over the last year. I pretty much just set it when I first installed it (myself, not a big deal really at all) and forgot about it. I have to think it has been working. If I turn it down just to feel the difference I don't keep it "off" for long. I ride 99% street.

Sign me up for one.
-DT

 

[YamaPA]

I've had and currently have dampers on other bikes, but quite honestly, I dont think the S10 needs one...unless maybe you are riding in deep sand....which is not what something I expect to use the bike for. Riding the S10 in a multitude of dirt/gravel/fireroad situtations , as well asphalt, has yet to indicate the need for damper on the bike...at least to me. Just sayin'....

 

[Tremor38]

I've had and currently have dampers on other bikes, but quite honestly, I dont think the S10 needs one...unless maybe you are riding in deep sand....which is not what something I expect to use the bike for. Riding the S10 in a multitude of dirt/gravel/fireroad situtations , as well asphalt, has yet to indicate the need for damper on the bike...at least to me. Just sayin'....

To me, at least for off road use, I don't see the point unless you often ride in pretty rugged, technical areas that have rocks and other objects that deflect steering.

 

[Bill310]

Riding the big Northern routes such as Goose Bay, Inuvik and Prudhoe makes a steering Stabilizer prove it's value

 

[stevepsd]

Steering stabilizers are good, really good off-road. I have Scotts' stabilizers on my XR & KTM ::008:: ::008:: ::008::

They are much more useful that just for 'technical' areas such a sand washes, rock fields, etc. They are very valuable at moderate and high speeds as well, where any small deflection of a wheel could turn into a big problem, very quickly.

I like'em.

P.S. Regarding the fitment for the ST, what is unique to each bike is the mounting, the stabilizers are the same. The key point in the mounting is that the pivot of the stabilizer is directly centered over the bikes steering stem, so both pivots are in the same plane. It would be fairly easy to fabricate a mount if you had access to a CNC!
As you can see from the attached pic, you normally mount the stabilizer using top clamp that has the two screw mounts for the stabilizer built in to it (or a new upper triple clamp if you have the $$$).

Maybe Paul over at Highway Dirt Bikes (www.highwaydirtbikes.com - he made the Powerlet/switch top clamps for the ST) might be interested?!?!?

-steve

 

[fender5803]

Wow those puppies aren't cheap another reason to stay on the blacktop. ;D

The stabilizers are just as important for street. I think you will find many preformnace road bikes fitted with some form of stabilizer. I have heard they can be most helpful in stopping or at least lessening the dreaded tank slapped. They help stop the wobble. I admit I am not very knowledgeable about how or why they do what they do but I researched enough for me to have one and feel comfortable knowing it it there silently doing it's job just in case it is needed. Just saying. I really hope Scotts gets up the customer base to make a batch for the Super Tenere. I'll be buying for sure-!!!

 

[dcstrom]

For those of you into the dampers, there's a group buy of GPR going on here;

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733789

Trevor

 

[stevepsd]

For those of you into the dampers, there's a group buy of GPR going on here;

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733789

Trevor

Has anyone here tried the GPR's? I've always been a Scotts' man myself, same with all my riding buddies but am always open for new ideas!

 

[~TABASCO~]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to throw out that we can make this SCOTTS work for the Super Tenere.. If its a special bracket or machining a whole new top triple tree. We can machine all this stuff and make it happen... I dont have a damper in my hand but if this is something a few of you really want we can make it happen... I will be 100% up front right now, we will NOT 'rig' the job to make it cheaper. Safety is the top priority.... You can post questions so everyone can read.. If anyone wants to call me at the shop, number is all over the web site..... ::26::

 

[fender5803]

Has anyone here tried the GPR's? I've always been a Scotts' man myself, same with all my riding buddies but am always open for new ideas!

I took a look at GPR's website but could not find one for the XTZ. I too have only had Scotts', all one of them .... it is one really nice feeling piece of engineering to hold in your hand. I am sure the GPR feels nice to. For me it's just one more safely feature to TRY to keep me out of the statistics. Pricey yes, well made yes, works really well yes, a waste of money saved, no-! (IMHO)

 

[Tremor38]

I took a look at GPR's website but could not find one for the XTZ. I too have only had Scotts', all one of them .... it is one really nice feeling piece of engineering to hold in your hand. I am sure the GPR feels nice to. For me it's just one more safely feature to TRY to keep me out of the statistics. Pricey yes, well made yes, works really well yes, a waste of money saved, no-! (IMHO)

Yeah, I'm sure having one is better than going without. With me right now, it's a game of contrast. In contrast to the S10 my D-tracker (300cc motard) needed a damper way more due to the diffence in steering geometry. You had to be very smooth with your steering inputs on that bike. The S10 is a large sedan by comparison, and I haven't been able to upset it on pavement, unlike the previous machine and the sport bikes i've owned. No doubt a damper is always a good thing to have though.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Sure, we can make it happen ! What ever it takes.

From ^^. Just wanted to throw out that we can make this SCOTTS work for the Super Tenere.. If its a special bracket or machining a whole new top triple tree. We can machine all this stuff and make it happen... I dont have a damper in my hand but if this is something a few of you really want we can make it happen... I will be 100% up front right now, we will NOT 'rig' the job to make it cheaper. Safety is the top priority.... You can post questions so everyone can read.. If anyone wants to call me at the shop, number is all over the web site.....

 

[steveva]

I have always used GPR and have had great luck with them. Saved my butt a few times for sure!! I sent GPR an email to see if they had plans on making one available.

Steven

 

[steveva]

FYI, Randy Norman from GPR responded to my email, and said that as soon as they can get a bike, they will build one.... They are in CA I believe, or I would loan em mine....